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I am not going to watch AT X if it goes on like that

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Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#21 - 2012-05-26 18:26:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Donedy
Roark Garnet wrote:
Donedy wrote:


Is that troll? I mean from someone who has his team which should have been banned I find it ******* dared.

Who knows, CCP could be finally touched by the grace and make Hydra participate or kick PL.


Not sparring with each other nor having people transfer from an alliance or another on both servers is truly a blantant evidence of working as a single team, amirite ?

I feel sorry that HyBreak will not participate this year, but in all honesty, I wonder how they could think they could join the same corp ,train and operate as one team and expect CCP not to ban them out of the tourney.


Everyone knows that sniggwaffe = PL, and both teams asked to participate, am I right?
The only difference between PL and Hydra is god knows why PL is not banned.
Musician
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-05-26 18:30:31 UTC
PL is not banned because there is a rumour going around that Dev's have alts in PL....
Qlfon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-05-26 18:35:50 UTC
LOL, also looks like Goons have mains in Dev's.
Roark Garnet
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-05-26 18:39:47 UTC
Donedy wrote:

Everyone knows that sniggwaffe = PL, and both teams asked to participate, am I right?
The only difference between PL and Hydra is god knows why PL is not banned.


You said the words, "both teams". I thank you for finally understanding that these 2 teams are operating as 2 separate teams.
Roark Garnet
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-05-26 18:40:32 UTC
Musician wrote:
PL is not banned because there is a rumour going around that Dev's have alts in PL....


We can also spit fireballs out of our buttholes
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#26 - 2012-05-26 18:44:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Donedy
Roark Garnet wrote:
Donedy wrote:

Everyone knows that sniggwaffe = PL, and both teams asked to participate, am I right?
The only difference between PL and Hydra is god knows why PL is not banned.


You said the words, "both teams". I thank you for finally understanding that these 2 teams are operating as 2 separate teams.


I would have say "both teams" if i was talking about hydra/outbreak, bro. Dont play with words you understood very well what i meaned.

Just in order to be sure you understand I want to higlight :
Donedy wrote:

Everyone knows that sniggwaffe = PL
Roark Garnet
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-05-26 18:45:57 UTC
Donedy wrote:


Just in order to be sure you understand I want to higlight :

Everyone knows that sniggwaffe = PL


That's some serious evidence of collusion m8m8
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#28 - 2012-05-26 18:52:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Donedy
Oh god... You are pretending that sniggwaffe and PL are not operating as only one team?

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/forums/showthread.php?40887-Dvomayn&p=544391&viewfull=1#post544391

Thats okay now? Collusion is well demonstrated?

You are making us wasting our time, REALLY.
R0ot
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-05-26 18:55:28 UTC  |  Edited by: R0ot
ElextriX wrote:
Agreed, not interested if the best TEAM aren't allowed to compete. The rest of the teams will be competing to be a paper champion.


Well if you are going to say Hydra and Outbreak and the best teams you may as well correct your sentence as I've done for you above.


*Not saying Hydra/Outbreak are the best team(s) btw.


EDIT:

Donedy wrote:
Oh god... You are pretending that sniggwaffe and PL are not operating as only one team?

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/forums/showthread.php?40887-Dvomayn&p=544391&viewfull=1#post544391

Thats okay now? Collusion is well demonstrated?

You are making us wasting our time, REALLY.


Look up training corps. It does suck what happened to the Waffles as they have been practising a lot but this is the way to cookie crumbles. Evil

EDIT: Also if you want to ban any sort of training corp association then almost every single Alliance in the tournament would be banned since players change alliances/corps every day and standings also. I'd say we'd have a more closer relationship with Evoke and NC. than Sniggwaffe.
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#30 - 2012-05-26 19:03:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Donedy
R0ot wrote:
training corps

Yeah thats it! Thats what I mean!

And you still maintain that's not a B team?

GOD!
R0ot
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-05-26 19:06:02 UTC
Donedy wrote:
R0ot wrote:
training corps

Yeah thats it! Thats what I mean!

And you still maintain that its not a B team?

GOD!


No you'll find if you look at last years tournament you'll find the actual B team which wasn't entered this year m888888888.
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#32 - 2012-05-26 19:07:17 UTC
Yeah but last year there wasnt this rule about A, B ,C teams, M8888.

And thats the point here.
R0ot
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-05-26 19:18:23 UTC
Donedy wrote:
Yeah but last year there wasnt this rule about A, B ,C teams, M8888.

And thats the point here.


Are you dumb or do you just skip over the lines in posts that actually give you an answer to your never ending circle jerk like arguement. PL has no B team entered this year per the rules, sniggwaffe is not a B team, they've been excluded for having "links" to PL which is unfortunate.

Hydra/Outbreak are and have been the same entity for a LONG time now. Clear evidence is last years tournament final. So this year they ask a GM is it ok that they practice together. Sure nothing wrong with that. Then they go and dump themselves fully committed into a wormhole together in the same corp (really doesn't matter if it was the TEST server or Tranquillity since anyone worth their salt uses the TEST server). The cries of "oh my we only merged into the same corp on the TEST server for logistics purposes" is the dumbest thing I've ever seen said on these forums since the CAOD of old (Xelas ftw).

Saying all this they should be allowed to enter either Hydra or Outbreak in the tournament or at this stage participate in the last bid slot but I am almost certain if this were to happen that they'd again attempt to gain the morale high ground (like Holland tries to claim the high ground during the film 2012) and reject the offer citing "we didn't want to play anyway".

They skirted the line and took a **** on it on the way past they deserve what they got, they've just provided so many tears since this has happened that any redemption is now impossible. Good luck Hydra / Outbreak we'll see you log in next year for AT XI and hopefully you won't try and B team it again.

In before CAOD forum drama of Hydra / Outbreak internal strife thus splitting the membership well in advance of the Alliance tournament to try and enter a covert B team. (Quote this because it's going to happen)
Intigo
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-05-26 19:32:52 UTC
R0ot wrote:
Hydra/Outbreak are and have been the same entity for a LONG time now.


I am sure this is news to members of both Alliances.

hydra provail
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#35 - 2012-05-26 19:32:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Donedy
Well i think that "B team" should have been defined.
Because I want to believe you when you say "nono, we are two different teams".
But why wouldnt I believe Hydra/Outbreak?
Thats just a ******* mess.
Do you see the point?

Rules must be the same for everyone, and it is obvious that there is as much evidences Outbreak being Hydra B team as snigg being PL B team.


EDIT :

Oh and i forget, Pandemic Legion/Sniggwaffe are and have been the same entity for a LONG time now.

You see? Same thing mate.

**** it, i should have called this topic "KICK PL"!
michael boltonIII
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-05-26 19:51:22 UTC
Donedy wrote:
Rules must be the same for everyone, and it is obvious that there is as much evidences Outbreak being Hydra B team as snigg being PL B team.


The important difference between waffle/PL and hydrabreak is that Waffle and PL actually don't practice together and know nothing about each other's teams. Waffle got pulled out because they are functionally the ******** wing of PL, and a vassal alliance. They'd probably do the same thing if DAWWW or -A- associates tried to join.

Hydra and Outbreak are two alliances who got together to field two teams using a single set of setups, practice, and theorycrafting. They aren't an A and B team, to any outside observer, they are the same team, only differentiated by the name of their alliance and the pilots who fly the setups. The most important part of the alliance tournament is your setups, and being able to keep those setups a secret, pilot skill is only super important when the setups are such that it's a relatively even fight. Hydra and Outbreak have literally no way to keep secrets from each other, because they are all in the same corp, in the same wormhole, pulling ships out of the same damn POS. They had a rule designed specifically to prevent them from doing what they did last year, and the decided that a mail from a GM meant that they could do nearly exactly the same thing they did last year with the exception of trying to keep Garmon's name away from outbreak.

If I did something that pissed people off so bad that they made a law to stop me from doing it again, and I preceded to e-mail the cops asking them if I could do it again, got no answer, and then decided that since a cop from another state said it was fine that it must be cool to do it; then I have absolutely no right to ***** when I get locked up.
Ohh Yeah
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#37 - 2012-05-26 19:58:46 UTC
Donedy wrote:
According to CCP rules, PL should be banned this year.

They are team A for Sniggwaffe eh.



Nah. CCP acknowledged that Waffles and PL are entirely separate in their tournament efforts, and are certainly not working together as a single entity. However, due to the fact that many Waffles leave alts in YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT after graduating to Sniggerdly, it's a little difficult to police whether or not there are any Waffle graduates flying for both teams (which afaik, there are none)

Essentially, their efforts are separate, but people tend to have characters in both alliances, so it'd be iffy to let both in. An understandable decision, of course.
JEFFRAIDER
THIGH GUYS
#38 - 2012-05-26 20:00:31 UTC
Donedy wrote:
Well i think that "B team" should have been defined.
Because I want to believe you when you say "nono, we are two different teams".
But why wouldnt I believe Hydra/Outbreak?
Thats just a ******* mess.
Do you see the point?

Rules must be the same for everyone, and it is obvious that there is as much evidences Outbreak being Hydra B team as snigg being PL B team.


EDIT :

Oh and i forget, Pandemic Legion/Sniggwaffe are and have been the same entity for a LONG time now.

You see? Same thing mate.

**** it, i should have called this topic "KICK PL"!



Hey I'll handle this guy for you, CCP Sreegs.

hey Donedy, you're stupid lololololol
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#39 - 2012-05-26 20:02:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Donedy
Ohh Yeah wrote:
Nah. CCP acknowledged that Waffles and PL are entirely separate in their tournament efforts, and are certainly not working together as a single entity. However, due to the fact that many Waffles leave alts in YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT after graduating to Sniggerdly, it's a little difficult to police whether or not there are any Waffle graduates flying for both teams (which afaik, there are none)

Essentially, their efforts are separate, but people tend to have characters in both alliances, so it'd be iffy to let both in. An understandable decision, of course.


Well, the facts dont help me to trust you. From my point of view training corp and corp form same entity.
But I already said that...


JEFFRAIDER wrote:
Hey I'll handle this guy for you, CCP Sreegs.

hey Donedy, you're stupid lololololol

"lolololololol, this guy is against PL he is stupid, lolololololol"




Guys Im blobbed by PL, need back up.
ScoRpS
Moist Wanted.
OnlyFleets.
#40 - 2012-05-26 20:21:13 UTC  |  Edited by: ScoRpS
michael boltonIII wrote:
Donedy wrote:
Rules must be the same for everyone, and it is obvious that there is as much evidences Outbreak being Hydra B team as snigg being PL B team.


The important difference between waffle/PL and hydrabreak is that Waffle and PL actually don't practice together and know nothing about each other's teams. Waffle got pulled out because they are functionally the ******** wing of PL, and a vassal alliance. They'd probably do the same thing if DAWWW or -A- associates tried to join.

Hydra and Outbreak are two alliances who got together to field two teams using a single set of setups, practice, and theorycrafting. They aren't an A and B team, to any outside observer, they are the same team, only differentiated by the name of their alliance and the pilots who fly the setups. The most important part of the alliance tournament is your setups, and being able to keep those setups a secret, pilot skill is only super important when the setups are such that it's a relatively even fight. Hydra and Outbreak have literally no way to keep secrets from each other, because they are all in the same corp, in the same wormhole, pulling ships out of the same damn POS. They had a rule designed specifically to prevent them from doing what they did last year, and the decided that a mail from a GM meant that they could do nearly exactly the same thing they did last year with the exception of trying to keep Garmon's name away from outbreak.

If I did something that pissed people off so bad that they made a law to stop me from doing it again, and I preceded to e-mail the cops asking them if I could do it again, got no answer, and then decided that since a cop from another state said it was fine that it must be cool to do it; then I have absolutely no right to ***** when I get locked up.


Thats a lot of presumptions and not alot of evidence which has been the mode of operation for this entire mess. A simple word would have sufficed instead of an orchestrated witch hunt. I dont have any ill feelings towards any other teams entered but the hate campaign instigated against us is unjust. And if the event organisers endorse it then it's easy to buy into it.

It's a tainted event now and I feel bad for the remaining teams. It will be interesting to watch still and I would urge no one to not watch it if only to see how the event officials will at some point have to address what has transpired here on a live stream.

It's going to be embarrassing for them and a mildly ammusing for me.

We will continue playing the game as it is without doubt a brilliant game just a shame that complete morons control the AT.

The ATX team should get over themselves as they are just administrating some one elses creation and are basically grunts with attitude.