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Val Erian
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
#21 - 2012-05-25 20:18:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Val Erian
Mutnin wrote:
Welcome to how Galentte held and captured many of their systems from Caldari in the weeks prior to the patch. This bug was known about and reported to CCP quite some time ago, but guess the "fix" never made it in the patch much like any other fix.

Fixes < New shiny stuff.

edit..

Gals did this crap as a pretty common tactic.. I don't plex much but in the fights leading up to the patch I was helping when I could and it was a pretty routine thing that we had to send in a fast frig like a Dram to chase some Gal exploiter alt away.

Not only did they have numbers advantage most of the time to win in fights but space ships is such serious business that they also felt the need to exploit these bugs pretty much any chance they got and I'm sure are still doing it now.

Now maybe some of you will understand why many of us have little to no interest in plexing for sov, when CCP can't even be bother to fix long standing issues like this.



Gee... welcome to the 'Gallentes are exploiters' team in Fw. Your usual wall of clueless text now full of outright lies.

Most likely you have no idea what triggers this bug or what people are actualy talking about in this thread that casues plexs to not close properly. and then not respawn till DT.

Its due to pilots from opposing sides being on the timer at the same time..... this does tend to happen when plexs are fought over.

Leaving a ship inside a plex after it closes isnt an exploit. As you said you can chase it out. And if you doubt it you can ask CCP . Go ahead. But facts would disrupt your PR narrative.

If you have any questions tho why dont you ask your premier plexxing guy Damar?

He is Officialy Certified Exploit Expert. He was so proud of it even posted the warning he got from CCP !

There is a whole thread discussing it in great detail. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=98109&find=unread
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#22 - 2012-05-25 20:21:03 UTC
Val Erian wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
Welcome to how Galentte held and captured many of their systems from Caldari in the weeks prior to the patch. This bug was known about and reported to CCP quite some time ago, but guess the "fix" never made it in the patch much like any other fix.

Fixes < New shiny stuff.

edit..

Gals did this crap as a pretty common tactic.. I don't plex much but in the fights leading up to the patch I was helping when I could and it was a pretty routine thing that we had to send in a fast frig like a Dram to chase some Gal exploiter alt away.

Not only did they have numbers advantage most of the time to win in fights but space ships is such serious business that they also felt the need to exploit these bugs pretty much any chance they got and I'm sure are still doing it now.

Now maybe some of you will understand why many of us have little to no interest in plexing for sov, when CCP can't even be bother to fix long standing issues like this.



Gee... welcome to the 'Gallentes are exploiters' team in Fw. Your usual wall of clueless text now full of outright lies.

Most likely you have no idea what triggers this bug or what people are actualy talking about in this thread that casues plexs to not close properly. and then not respawn till DT.

Its due to pilots from opposing sides being on the timer at the same time..... this does tend to happen when plexs are fought over.

Leaving a ship inside a plex after it closes isnt an exploit. As you said you can chase it out. And if you doubt it you can ask CCP . Go ahead. But facts would disrupt your PR narrative.

If you have any questions tho why dont you ask your premier plexxing guy Damar?

He is Officialy Certified Exploit Expert. He was so proud of it even posted the warning he got from CCP !

There is a whole thread discussing it in great detail.


Look a special appearance from bug master Val Erian himself.
Val Erian
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
#23 - 2012-05-25 20:28:49 UTC
Since you are unable to find basic facts yourself:......

GM Rely to your plex buddy Damar rocarion when he engaged in the same butthurt whinefest you are doing atm:


Posted: 2012.04.20 03:01 | Report | Edited by: GM Zerat






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This is a bug, and is scheduled to be fixed in a future patch. Abusing this intentionally is NOT allowed. Period.

Accidentally triggering this effect is of course not the same thing.

The afk cloaking scenario was deemed normal game mechanics and no bug was being abused there. They are separate cases. This has nothing to do with the Gallente or Caldari militias, both sides can abuse this bug.

Also note that our rulings here may seem inconsistent, because it is often difficult to verify someone's intention when this bug happens. We cannot take any action against a player where we aren't reasonably sure they were doing this intentionally. You have openly stated to us that you are doing this intentionally, so there is no argument there





Main probalem ofc is that CCP hasnt foxed this glaring bug. So it ruins gameplay and poisens everything.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2012-05-25 22:46:02 UTC
So reports from Amarr/Shakorite front of 2-3 plexes being absent until DT in an overtly targeted system are down to accidental triggering of a bug .. sounds entirely plausible! Smile

Honour, Integrity .. oh how I miss you.

Problem isn't so much that FW'ers abuse the crap of whatever can be abused, but that CCP first create the bugs by changing whatever in their precious database and then can't bloody fix it afterwards.
Without having access to metrics, I bet FW plexes are probably one the items that have had the most bug/exploit tickets over the years and the least amount of man-hours dedicated to them.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#25 - 2012-05-26 00:24:06 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
So reports from Amarr/Shakorite front of 2-3 plexes being absent until DT in an overtly targeted system are down to accidental triggering of a bug .. sounds entirely plausible! Smile

Honour, Integrity .. oh how I miss you.

Problem isn't so much that FW'ers abuse the crap of whatever can be abused, but that CCP first create the bugs by changing whatever in their precious database and then can't bloody fix it afterwards.
Without having access to metrics, I bet FW plexes are probably one the items that have had the most bug/exploit tickets over the years and the least amount of man-hours dedicated to them.


People might take you more seriously if you throw in some accusations of IRL harassment about pedophilia into your spiel.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#26 - 2012-05-26 08:04:32 UTC
CCP stop harvesting my carebear tears and fix this bug! I ran a major plex and it bugged so I gotz no LP SadCryCryCryCryCry
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2012-05-26 08:55:38 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
People might take you more seriously if you throw in some accusations of IRL harassment about pedophilia into your spiel.

Huh?
Gullibility Fool
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-05-26 09:07:53 UTC
What? MInmatar militia exploiting? Never......Roll
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#29 - 2012-05-26 14:14:45 UTC
I've only ever seen this bug triggered accidentally tbh. But hey keep whining about some mythical minmatar/CCP conspiracy...it'll at least distract attention from the fact amarr plexes are so easy even a dead hedgehog could solo them.
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#30 - 2012-05-26 14:53:56 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
I've only ever seen this bug triggered accidentally tbh. But hey keep whining about some mythical minmatar/CCP conspiracy...it'll at least distract attention from the fact amarr plexes are so easy even a dead hedgehog could solo them.

LOL

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
San Severina
One Point 0
#31 - 2012-05-27 11:12:58 UTC
I'd like to add that I find Muad 'dib's special brand of cynicism strangely refreshing.
Idea
Gullibility Fool
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-05-28 10:08:07 UTC
So it is of course pure coincidence that plexes in Oyonata have again been bugged, just before certain people logged for the day?

This time both the major and minor plexes have been taken out of circulation.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#33 - 2012-05-28 15:39:32 UTC
Super Chair wrote:
CCP stop harvesting my carebear tears and fix this bug! I ran a major plex and it bugged so I gotz no LP SadCryCryCryCryCry

+1

Priority 1: Fix this bug.
Priority 2: Balance NPCs in plexes.

Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
#34 - 2012-05-28 19:24:08 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Priority 2: Balance NPCs in plexes.


About time CCP nerfs gallente rats like they have done to caldari rats. Matar rats are ok as they are, amarr need buffing and caldari too. Right now caldari are barely useful.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#35 - 2012-05-29 03:51:39 UTC
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Priority 2: Balance NPCs in plexes.

About time CCP nerfs gallente rats like they have done to caldari rats. Matar rats are ok as they are, amarr need buffing and caldari too. Right now caldari are barely useful.
I don't care how they do it. Apply missile spam to every race, enforce a "kill all rats" rule, whatever it takes to make solo'ing any plex with an afk sh**fit frig impossible.

The reason Gallente and Amarr plexes can be afk solo'ed is that turrets can be speed tanked.

Caldari e-war may have been nerfed, but their missile spam forces afk plexing to be done in an assault frig or higher (which is b***s*** as well, no plex should be capped with an afk setup of any type)
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#36 - 2012-05-29 08:14:45 UTC
Ooo goody. I look forward to farming Amarr tears. Lol

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2012-05-29 12:32:36 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
I don't care how they do it. Apply missile spam to every race, enforce a "kill all rats" rule, whatever it takes to make solo'ing any plex with an afk sh**fit frig impossible.

The reason Gallente and Amarr plexes can be afk solo'ed is that turrets can be speed tanked.

Caldari e-war may have been nerfed, but their missile spam forces afk plexing to be done in an assault frig or higher (which is b***s*** as well, no plex should be capped with an afk setup of any type)

Quoting for great justice.

We (those of us dumb enough to plex from day one) asked for the "Kill Everything!" mechanic as a stop-gap measure until NPCs were either sorted or an alternative to them found .. that is three plus years ago.
It doesn't solve it per se, just soothes the symptoms of the immensely stupid AI, response will be a single speed tanking frig (as now) and a single gank "maximum allowed" ship .. so the NPCs/AI still needs to be addressed but "Kill Everything!" would be a good start.
Ramon Sohei
The Florez Law Firm
#38 - 2012-05-29 13:01:46 UTC
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Chestbeat and Soap Box all you want, but I know the majority of the Minmatar militia wouldn't even know where to begin if they wanted to glitch a plex. I certainly don't know how to do it. The same is probably true in the Amarr militia. In all likelihood it's just a few people from both sides using this exploit. There isn't some grand conspiracy, Veshta, as much as you'd like there to be.


Well, I did outline the whole bug in other thread and got GM warning about the impending ban-hammer for inappropriate behavior after I examined what gallentes were doing in our front. So if anyone wants to bug plexes, he would have only needed to look into that thread in "issues and whatever" forums.


You got the wrong dude. That is Damar Rocarion and he is in the Caldari militia, not Gallente.
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