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After I "LOOT ALL", could you just please make the Inventory UI close?

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General Freight
GIRLFRIEND SURF TEAM
#1 - 2012-05-26 04:17:56 UTC
It used to just go *poof* and that is what I still want it to do. It makes looting take a lot longer to keep having to close that window, after waiting for it to reopen my cargohold, every time I loot a wreck.

Seems like such a simple fix.
Malak Dawnfire
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2012-05-26 04:19:08 UTC
This isn't World of Warcraft..you close your own damn window because it's HARD and we like it that way.
General Freight
GIRLFRIEND SURF TEAM
#3 - 2012-05-26 04:21:38 UTC
Malak Dawnfire wrote:
This isn't World of Warcraft..you close your own damn window because it's HARD and we like it that way.



Being difficult to use for the sake of being difficult to use is not reflective of any successful MMORPG.
Lexar Mundi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-05-26 06:04:36 UTC
Or how about a better option, give us our old windows back and just put all the cute isk est. and cute M3 counter on our old windows...
Sellendis
The Ares project
#5 - 2012-05-26 06:22:50 UTC
Its simple to fix really.

1. Stop looting (loot is nerfed, and new UI makes it take longer to do anything)
2. Run another mission in the time you would loot
3.......( or ***** about new UI)
4. Profit
Sarton Wells
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-05-26 06:54:11 UTC
If you shift double-click to open the can/wreck it will auto-close when you loot all.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#7 - 2012-05-26 07:11:21 UTC
Mmm inventory window...

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Sellendis
The Ares project
#8 - 2012-05-26 07:22:26 UTC
Sarton Wells wrote:
If you shift double-click to open the can/wreck it will auto-close when you loot all.


The last can window wont close, it will remain open or revert to ship cargo. Depending if ship cargo was open before the looting started.

And anyway, loot all took what, .5 sec to loot and remove window before, now you loot all, and then wait 2-3-4 sec for a window to understand its empty, close and go to next one. And this is a best case scenario, couse sometimes it craps itself and doesn't refresh the window and you are stuck waiting for a empty window to go away on its own.

If the same function as before takes few times longer to do, it aint an improvement. Not to mention, why cant this new and smart UI remember a window i want to open in a specific location by itself and not forcing shift+lmb on everything.
Tyson Blake
Blake Strategic Federation
#9 - 2012-05-26 07:30:14 UTC
I can see Your concern, but what about rethinking Your looting strategy?

I for one, salvage everything first, and then loot all the cans.

Double-click Can, Loot All, Double-click next can, Loot all

Doing this You don't have to close the inventory all the time. The previous can closes automatically and after finishing all cans just close the window once.

BUT its true, it would be much easier the old way...

The new inventory is DIFFERENT, but it looks very promising. It needed more testing and attention though... if they would just make another option to eve where You can enable:

"Always open Cargoholds of Wrecks/Cans in new window"

Hot Keys:

"Open Cargo Hold of current ship in new window" - without having to open UInventory
"Open Drone Bay of current ship in new window" etc.

But... yeah, for now You have to either stop doing things which need more effort because of the new inventory or rethink Your strategy. Shouldn't happen in a paid game, but meh, look at Blizzard, they are worse, releasing singleplayer games in online-only mode, having too less server capacity etc. etc.

Lets just hope CCP will adress the missing features in the new inventory and fix bugs, like windows are not saved in station. I have to open Item Hangar + Ship Hangar all the time anew
Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-05-26 07:32:00 UTC
No, because that would make sense.
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#11 - 2012-05-26 07:36:35 UTC
Shift - click = window opens
Shift - doubleclick = wreck closes?

What happens with two shifts and a triple click?

Fireworks?

I need to take notes.

You know, aside from chatting or splitting stacks, I don't regularly touch my keyboard when playing EVE. At all. For me, this is mostly a mouse-only game.

I even petitioned CCP not that long ago to add a clickable counter to the stack splitting / item sale popup so that those activities wouldn't interrupt the flow of a mouse-only game BECAUSE they're the only times I have to use my keyboard. (Of course they told me to post it in the forums, contact the CSM, and promptly closed my petition. But that's not the point.)

From where I'm sitting, all these "shift - click, it's easy" and "shift - doubleclick, that'll do it" responses seem crazy. Every time I have to touch the keyboard AT ALL is a new interruption in my workflow that didn't previously exist.

This is a completely separate matter from the hordes of other issues with the UI - mostly stemming from it's one-windowed design. It's already taking 3x the clicks to do what took 1 click last week.

And now I just think its hilarious that the proposed solution to this loss of efficiency is to add a new repeating "grab the keyboard and use the shift button in the dark" 1000x per night. All while you're squinting, scrolling, resizing, and bi*ching.

Oh yeah. Supah efficient.

Yonis Kador
Drahcir Nasom
Independent Manufacturers
#12 - 2012-05-26 08:48:28 UTC
Yonis Kador wrote:
You know, aside from chatting or splitting stacks, I don't regularly touch my keyboard when playing EVE. At all. For me, this is mostly a mouse-only game.


Get yourself a 4 button mouse and do what I've done, assign [Shift] to one of the spare buttons (I use the thumb one), then you can shft-click or shift-double-click with just the mouse.

Drahcir

Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#13 - 2012-05-26 09:04:00 UTC
I think the looting issue is one of the first things on their to-fix list.
Diana Valenti
Disposable Spies
Honorable Third Party
#14 - 2012-05-26 09:43:31 UTC
Yeh, if you cant restore old inventory (>_>) just let loot window close after "TAKE ALL" button.
Sellendis
The Ares project
#15 - 2012-05-26 11:25:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Sellendis
Tyson Blake wrote:
I can see Your concern, but what about rethinking Your looting strategy?

I for one, salvage everything first, and then loot all the cans.

Double-click Can, Loot All, Double-click next can, Loot all



That is how i was doing from the day 1 with noctis, when all i have around me were cargo cans, open 15-20 of them in 1 window, and spam loot all. As you loot a can it vanishes and next one becomes primary. It was fast as hell, then open new cans or go away on other business. This was the fastest method to do it.
Looting live wrecks were a lot slower then looting cans.

With new UI it made me stop salvage and loot operations completely.


On ship hangar issue, open one window as station cargo, other window as ship hangar, undock and ship hangar becomes ship cargo. Redock and ship cargo is now primary station cargo window. And its frustrating as hell.

If you use station cargo window at a half screen size, and ship cargo at 3x3 items size, once ship cargo becomes station cargo, drag and re-size stuff all the time. Fighting UI more time then anything else.
General Freight
GIRLFRIEND SURF TEAM
#16 - 2012-05-26 22:31:11 UTC
Drahcir Nasom wrote:
Yonis Kador wrote:
You know, aside from chatting or splitting stacks, I don't regularly touch my keyboard when playing EVE. At all. For me, this is mostly a mouse-only game.


Get yourself a 4 button mouse and do what I've done, assign [Shift] to one of the spare buttons (I use the thumb one), then you can shft-click or shift-double-click with just the mouse.

Drahcir




Goddamn that is brilliant. I am going to do this. I think you should post this to the "Tips" forum, in all seriousness.
General Freight
GIRLFRIEND SURF TEAM
#17 - 2012-05-26 22:36:21 UTC
Tyson Blake wrote:
I can see Your concern, but what about rethinking Your looting strategy?

I for one, salvage everything first, and then loot all the cans.

Double-click Can, Loot All, Double-click next can, Loot all

Doing this You don't have to close the inventory all the time. The previous can closes automatically and after finishing all cans just close the window once.

BUT its true, it would be much easier the old way...

The new inventory is DIFFERENT, but it looks very promising. It needed more testing and attention though... if they would just make another option to eve where You can enable:

"Always open Cargoholds of Wrecks/Cans in new window"

Hot Keys:

"Open Cargo Hold of current ship in new window" - without having to open UInventory
"Open Drone Bay of current ship in new window" etc.

But... yeah, for now You have to either stop doing things which need more effort because of the new inventory or rethink Your strategy. Shouldn't happen in a paid game, but meh, look at Blizzard, they are worse, releasing singleplayer games in online-only mode, having too less server capacity etc. etc.

Lets just hope CCP will adress the missing features in the new inventory and fix bugs, like windows are not saved in station. I have to open Item Hangar + Ship Hangar all the time anew



I am running sleeper anomalies in a WH. I have to be able to GTFO quickly, and the loot is worth quite a bit of ISK. So it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to just "rethink my strategy" into waving my precious loot where 0.0 WH pvpers can come gank me (more easily because I don't have local and no probes on a noctis, just "speed tank")

So no. Thanks for the suggestion, but I think what you salvage and what I salvage are not the same, in terms of the strategic situation. Mmmkay?
General Freight
GIRLFRIEND SURF TEAM
#18 - 2012-05-26 22:40:03 UTC
Sellendis wrote:
Its simple to fix really.

1. Stop looting (loot is nerfed, and new UI makes it take longer to do anything)
2. Run another mission in the time you would loot
3.......( or ***** about new UI)
4. Profit


I run sleeper anomalies in Wormholes. Looting is how I get my bounties. I have to get out of the WH with those loots, to get paid a damn thing. I get paid 100s of millions for the loot.

The salvage is worth billions, after a month or two or running them. It's how tech 3s are built. Just STFU before you embarrass yourself any further.
Sellendis
The Ares project
#19 - 2012-05-27 06:23:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Sellendis
Nice to see you "mentioned" you run in a WH in your first post. There was no mention of a WH by the time i posted #5, your first WH post is #17.
As i am usually telepathic i wonder why didn't i read your mind in the first place.

On WH loot / salvage related issues, i know how WHs work, and the ISK involved there. I am also informed on components needed for T3 production.

All in all, since you dont have the luxury of not L/S in a WH, STFU and deal with it.
P.S. - and L / S operation was nicely screwed by CCP, on that we agree.
General Freight
GIRLFRIEND SURF TEAM
#20 - 2012-05-27 06:30:11 UTC
Sellendis wrote:
Nice to see you "mentioned" you run in a WH in your first post. There was no mention of a WH by the time i posted #5, your first WH post is #17.
As i am usually telepathic i wonder why didn't i read your mind in the first place.

On WH loot / salvage related issues, i know how WHs work, and the ISK involved there. I am also informed on components needed for T3 production.

All in all, since you dont have the luxury of not L/S in a WH, STFU and deal with it.
P.S. - and L / S operation was nicely screwed by CCP, on that we agree.


I never said what I was salvaging the it original post. And you're missing the point.

I don't want your opinion on what or how I salvage. It's a part of the game that does not work as well since they "fixed" it and I want it to work again. Try to stay on point.
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