Science & Industry

I have an Industry alt that I was considering farming Creodron Rep with and training up the necessary skills to use R&D Agents but was wondering if my time is better spent in other areas so I was seeking opinions.

The question I'm asking is specifically: If I do not plan on inventing or building Tech II items will I get a good ROI from selling datacores on the Market?

Your opinions are valued, thanks all.

This is easy. Don't bother.

The LP payout of FW coupled with the low price (at least at the best sov level - 25LP + 25K isk per datacore) can only cause the price to drop. It will take a while to even out, but at a generous 4000 isk per LP, that would give datacores a base price of 125K.

Now, the perfect pricing isn't always going to be available, but the adjustment factor is so huge that I would fully expect most or all people to hoard their LP until their faction has best or, at worst, second best pricing, and then cash out.

seriously the way that datacore farming is right now. It requires absolutely 0 effort to get them. It's basically free isk. This is why ccp is changing them. But with ccp you never know when they will actually implement these changes into the game. I'd say it would probably still pay off to farm datacores atm

Having to haul in your data cores isn't free. It may be something that you can do pretty easily while afk and on auto-pilot, but if prices crater, they could still be worse than just running L4 couriers (which requires almost no skill investment).

I would suggest PI as an alternative to doing anything related to T2 production.

With T2 production CCP have made the future very uncertain, but we know that PI will be linked to Dust, so they will have to keep it healthy.

Actually, my previous numbers were off - I thought Minmatar was at T5, but they're not. They're only at T4. So the T3 price should be 50 + 50, the T2 price should be 100, and the T1 price should be 200 + 200. Also, Mech Eng will never be high again - every faction can cashout for those. I would expect that, ultimately, everything will settle out at the T3 price (which both sides can have simultaneously).

At the T3 price of 50+50 (which both factions can have simultaneously), and given that under the new system you rack up tens of thousands of LP for so much as sneezing in a faction warfare system, I doubt we'll see 800K datacores.

Even in the min/amarr war, Amarr could get to T2 simply by upgrading their systems - they just haven't yet.

Yep. IIRC, someone pointed out that Mech Eng is used in a disproportionate amount of inventions so they spread it out. Actually, it might just be one race on each side. Let me check, but it is definitely more than just minmatar.

Edit - Inferno patch notes:



Datacore offers have been added to Factional Warfare Militia Corporations (250 LP and 250,000 ISK for a package of 5):

24th Imperial Crusade: Amarrian Starship Engineering, High Energy Physics, Laser Physics, Mechanical Engineering, Nanite Engineering.
State Protectorate: Caldari Starship Engineering, Graviton Physics, Mechanical Engineering, Quantum Physics, Rocket Science.
Federal Defense Union: Electromagnetic Physics, Electronic Engineering, Gallentean Starship Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Plasma Physics.
Tribal Liberal Force: Hydromagnetic Physics, Mechanical Engineering, Minmatar Starship Engineering, Molecular Engineering, Nuclear Physics.

The income rate is obscene relative to the prices at T4. It's also worth a ton right now (with a little finagling I think there are some items on minmatar side that can be turned around for about 8000/isk per LP. I got 34,500 LP for one plex earlier...), but I don't see how it could possibly last.

I also expect to see a lot of moving between teams and possibly some organized manipulation taking place unless the general FW population increases to a point to make that unfeasible.

One downside is that, at least for the time being, there's not as much fighting as I would like. The payout for PvE is so immensely lucrative that everyone is getting-while-the-getting-is-good, which largely precludes fighting each other.

On the other hand, if you were to win all of the systems, the best/easiest/safest source of LP - the plexes - would no longer be available. Defending plexes gives no LP, so that leaves kills and missions? I guess? Which is sad compared to speed tanking some gimped rats for 20 minutes in a frigate for 30K LP.

If you use R&D agent for RP that you will convert to data-cores then this math stands:

1.With lvl 4 agent and lvl 4 in related skill around 90RPs/day are generated.
2. BEFORE 50RP=1data-core; NOW 100RP+10k ISK=1data-core.

Prices from current 180-260k should go to 370-530k but that still means you will be getting <500k ISK max. per day per agent so not that much... but still its passive income.

Personally I wouldn't skill up for that if I have anything else on plate..

Truth be told, we can speculate all we want but changes to the system were just made not even a week ago. So we have idea what it will do to the market so we can't tell you if it's worth investing in it right now. So if I were you I take that time/SP and invest in something else that would be more useful till we find out what the full effect of this will have in the coming months.