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Greifer Wardec and the problem

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Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-05-24 21:56:29 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Get rid of local, then you won't need to camp stations or hide in them. Station games aren't just a hisec nuisance.


You would also have to remove the list of people in a station. It provides about the same level of intel as local but that list, much like local, can also be a beneficial tool many enjoy.

You should have to go walking around the station (WiS) to find out who's there. Big smile


Only if i can knife my WTs
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-05-24 21:58:18 UTC
hey -a- renter when you have a wardec on you why not just live in the space you're paying rent for?
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-05-24 21:59:44 UTC
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
My Main was involved in 4 Wardecs over the 2 years he existed.

All 4 times were decs by 1-man Corps.

Only once did one even bother to EVER undock.

The other 3 hardly ever even logged in. One of those renewed 3 times.

It is a horribly broken and abused mechanic that this new iteration is not correcting in the slightest.

If they need more ISK to fund against a larger Corp/Alliance, they can just PLEX.

It's either a Dec by a Monstrous Alliance agains a tiny new Corp or these 1-man joke.

I never saw in my 2 years of playing, a proper War.

Sad really.


So true.
Tired of these cowards and i use the term LOOSELY
Rukia Taika
Holey Amarrian Inquisition
Grand Inquisitors Federation
#24 - 2012-05-25 02:24:15 UTC
Hell i like this idea. I hate greifers playing the undock and re dock station games.

Come on CCP lets here something on this one
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#25 - 2012-05-25 02:27:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginseng Jita
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
No. Wardecs only affect (and should only affect) whether people can shoot each other, not basic game mechanics such as aggro timers, and especially not in a way that obviously favors one side over the other. Reverse the aggressor and defender roles in your idea, and it is just as unacceptable.

Otherwise, welcome to hisec station games. Go elsewhere for actual PvP.



The aggressor play the game they should be willing to commit to a fight. Declaring war should still have a consequence. After all Eve is a game where your actions have consequences.


Wait what? There are consequences to this game? Since when? Damn it...why can't I get memos like everyone else?
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#26 - 2012-05-25 02:29:55 UTC
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
My Main was involved in 4 Wardecs over the 2 years he existed.

All 4 times were decs by 1-man Corps.

Only once did one even bother to EVER undock.

The other 3 hardly ever even logged in. One of those renewed 3 times.

It is a horribly broken and abused mechanic that this new iteration is not correcting in the slightest.

If they need more ISK to fund against a larger Corp/Alliance, they can just PLEX.

It's either a Dec by a Monstrous Alliance agains a tiny new Corp or these 1-man joke.

I never saw in my 2 years of playing, a proper War.

Sad really.


So true.
Tired of these cowards and i use the term LOOSELY



You know it. In my corp we went to war and the cowards ran every time we confronted them. They started it and then they never followed through. There should be real consequences for going to war and if you do start one...you better be willing to fight.
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-05-25 02:41:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Ziranda Hakuli
Well thats why a few of us were chatting about the inferno expansion, the crimewatch which got back burnered. and with the amount of greifers wardecing and not showing up or they do and play games.

hence the idea of 5 minute not able to dock idea
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#28 - 2012-05-25 03:22:54 UTC
Station games and neutral remote rep ~are~ the essence of amazing highsec pvp, I thought?

They've evolved beyond blobs.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-05-25 03:49:13 UTC
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
My Main was involved in 4 Wardecs over the 2 years he existed.

All 4 times were decs by 1-man Corps.

Only once did one even bother to EVER undock.

The other 3 hardly ever even logged in. One of those renewed 3 times.

It is a horribly broken and abused mechanic that this new iteration is not correcting in the slightest.

If they need more ISK to fund against a larger Corp/Alliance, they can just PLEX.

It's either a Dec by a Monstrous Alliance agains a tiny new Corp or these 1-man joke.

I never saw in my 2 years of playing, a proper War.

Sad really.

I've doe wars on alt where we actively go looking for the WTs. Of course, they don't want to fight themselves, so we end up camping station etc...
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-05-25 03:51:44 UTC
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
Well thats why a few of us were chatting about the inferno expansion, the crimewatch which got back burnered. and with the amount of greifers wardecing and not showing up or they do and play games.

hence the idea of 5 minute not able to dock idea

Crimewatch 2.0 was never due to come out with Inferno AFAIK. It was a longer term proposition. That being said, the ideas they presented at fan fest had some alarming possible outcomes and they were not able to explain some of the edge cases we presented, such as how aggro from can flipping would be handled etc...
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#31 - 2012-05-25 04:48:16 UTC
or you could use an alt sitting on the undock somewhere cloaked that isnt in your corporation. as if the war targets see hostiles in system they wont undock at all.

not to mention if a war target undocks to see a group of 10 aka a small blob playing the annoying seagles from finding nemo all yelling out MINE MINE MINE he is not going to engage for sure. and just dock back up.

alot of players dont like looseing a ship to 10 people. or more. thats not real pvp. at all. a player cant claim being good at pvp if they use blobs to fight a battle.

be more like RvB try some solo work.

Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-05-25 05:03:19 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
or you could use an alt sitting on the undock somewhere cloaked that isnt in your corporation. as if the war targets see hostiles in system they wont undock at all.

not to mention if a war target undocks to see a group of 10 aka a small blob playing the annoying seagles from finding nemo all yelling out MINE MINE MINE he is not going to engage for sure. and just dock back up.

alot of players dont like looseing a ship to 10 people. or more. thats not real pvp. at all. a player cant claim being good at pvp if they use blobs to fight a battle.

be more like RvB try some solo work.



i remember them gate camps like that but i am not really into the 10man mini blob thing. The point is that greifers are getting away with still too much. and the War Targets who play the undock re dock games just to mess with the defenders is just wrong there needs to something done. yhey wish to wardec let the concequences of their actions of playing these games be put to an end. this goes for anyone who plays this type of game

CCP wanted this summer to be pretty much war and their silly attempt to unify Empire space may not happen due to too many grudges or chiefs. and the epic one we will do it my way or it will not happen thing.

CCP wanting to see what empire folks will do this is a good stepping stone
Sisocih
Space Mermaids
#33 - 2012-05-25 05:19:19 UTC
In the new system you guys should be solid.
I am a bit rusty on my null poli but if I remember, you guys are sitting over 2000 so you won't be a cheap dec.

Don't be surprised if I mothball my alliance and ask to come join you. Unless you NAP with Goons, then I might have to pass.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#34 - 2012-05-25 06:09:39 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
alot of players dont like looseing a ship to 10 people. or more. thats not real pvp. at all. a player cant claim being good at pvp if they use blobs to fight a battle.

You should've seen the look on that guy's face when he jumped right into Boat's 250+ man fleet gatecamping in the middle of nowhere. It was priceless.

So was his pod.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#35 - 2012-05-25 06:11:49 UTC
AFK Hauler wrote:
Remove stations...

Problem solved.


Flip side of that coin.

Remove war decs

Problem solved.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-05-25 07:34:08 UTC
bongsmoke wrote:
AFK Hauler wrote:
Remove stations...

Problem solved.


Flip side of that coin.

Remove war decs

Problem solved.

Remove whiners.

Problem solved.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#37 - 2012-05-25 07:51:24 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
bongsmoke wrote:
AFK Hauler wrote:
Remove stations...

Problem solved.


Flip side of that coin.

Remove war decs

Problem solved.

Remove whiners.

Problem solved.


Remove trolls PROBLEM SOLVED
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-05-25 07:53:34 UTC
somehow this thread has reached a new low
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#39 - 2012-05-25 07:54:04 UTC
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:

I never saw in my 2 years of playing, a proper War.




And you have never! been, able to punctuate. correctly?



Please, please God - when does his subscription expire?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-05-25 08:20:53 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
bongsmoke wrote:
AFK Hauler wrote:
Remove stations...

Problem solved.


Flip side of that coin.

Remove war decs

Problem solved.

Remove whiners.

Problem solved.


Remove trolls PROBLEM SOLVED

You mean remove trolls which keep claiming that 72% of the eve population are in hisec, while completely ignoring the fact that 50% of those 72% are null/lowsec alts?

I can live with that.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat