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Why is the CSM not saying anything?

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Jack Parr
Kzinti Hegemony
#1 - 2012-05-23 16:42:10 UTC
Am I missing the forum thread started by our august CSM members trying to address our concerns about the inventory rage storm?

Apparently everyone on the CSM loves the new inventory interface and wants it EXACTLY how CCP implemented it. But if people are expressing concerns about how it negatively affects their game play isn't it the job of the CSM to facilitate our concerns to CCP?

Do we even need the CSM? I mean if we have to go directly to CCP with our concerns, doesn't that simply mean we wasted our time electing several useless people who only want to fly for a free vacation to Iceland?

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average goon."      - The Mittani

Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-05-23 17:05:54 UTC
Jack Parr wrote:
Am I missing the forum thread started by our august CSM members trying to address our concerns about the inventory rage storm?

Apparently everyone on the CSM loves the new inventory interface and wants it EXACTLY how CCP implemented it. But if people are expressing concerns about how it negatively affects their game play isn't it the job of the CSM to facilitate our concerns to CCP?

Do we even need the CSM? I mean if we have to go directly to CCP with our concerns, doesn't that simply mean we wasted our time electing several useless people who only want to fly for a free vacation to Iceland?



When is the angry mob going to actually "engage brain" and start to realize the CSM is nothing more than a mouth piece....they have no power...no influence..no sway.

CCP can tell them to "step off" anytime they want.



Oh sure it might help if CSM actaully bothered to "participate" (Theres a concept) in day to day posts and assembly hall.

But lets be honest here....your expecations of what CSM can and can't do are seriously out of this solar system...never mind the world.

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sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-05-23 17:18:00 UTC
They don't pretend to care unless it screws their alliance. The new and improved inventory screws everyone equally, so they're okay with that.Big smile
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
#4 - 2012-05-23 18:09:26 UTC
Hell, if they'd post in Assembly Hall once a week that'd be awesome, and I think more ideas could be collated and run through the system to be processed for actually applying them to EVE. But as it seems, you want to get a response from the CSM, send them an EVE mail. Although chances are, of the entire lot of them, you'll only get one response.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-05-23 18:47:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Hell, if they'd post in Assembly Hall once a week that'd be awesome, and I think more ideas could be collated and run through the system to be processed for actually applying them to EVE. But as it seems, you want to get a response from the CSM, send them an EVE mail. Although chances are, of the entire lot of them, you'll only get one response.


Or they will spam the #### out of you.

CSM (majority of) are more interested in their free trip to iceland and getting fame more so than actually helping us out. Not that they could do much in hte first place.

*Damnit floppie...you dang will better run for next terms CSM!!!*

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#6 - 2012-05-23 20:01:00 UTC
The only ones that actually care about communicating with players didn't get elected, so don't expect much.
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
#7 - 2012-05-23 22:46:02 UTC
Draconis, wrong as usual. I actually had some communications with the CSM lately, and of the entire lot, got one reply. And for the love of God get off of everyone's ****.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-05-23 23:30:38 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Draconis, wrong as usual. I actually had some communications with the CSM lately, and of the entire lot, got one reply. And for the love of God get off of everyone's ****.



Uh..yeah...sure....just keep right on going.

EVE Mail means nothing....Private convos mean nothing.

We need a public face on the CSM.

And right now that public face is a crock.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
#9 - 2012-05-24 00:27:33 UTC
You act like that is a new thing. The whole thing is a crock as only the major power blocs are ever represented and those candidates who seek to represent the high or low sec crowds typically gets ROFLstomped in votes and then all 10058 of those get wasted when the public face of those meant to represent the players turns out to be a drunken prick who doesn't even play, and promotes not only violation of EULA but the various laws in place against cyberbullying.

With that I say abolish the CSM and come up with a better representative system that doesn't include a free vacation to Iceland and actually promotes more of an actual PLAYER driven system than a politically driven system that can be tainted by hundreds of alt accounts set in place in time so that they can vote only to vanish again after elections.

My vote is zero confidence in the CSM.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-05-24 05:04:17 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
You act like that is a new thing. The whole thing is a crock as only the major power blocs are ever represented and those candidates who seek to represent the high or low sec crowds typically gets ROFLstomped in votes and then all 10058 of those get wasted when the public face of those meant to represent the players turns out to be a drunken prick who doesn't even play, and promotes not only violation of EULA but the various laws in place against cyberbullying.

With that I say abolish the CSM and come up with a better representative system that doesn't include a free vacation to Iceland and actually promotes more of an actual PLAYER driven system than a politically driven system that can be tainted by hundreds of alt accounts set in place in time so that they can vote only to vanish again after elections.

My vote is zero confidence in the CSM.


I'd agree with that for about 95% of it...give or take.

And no its not new.

Its just worse than it was before.

I didn't even vote because no one was fit to be voted for in the first place. Not that it matters a damn.

Abolishment of the CSM accomplishes nothing because it can still be made to be a good thing.

Like I said...CSM needs to be more public here at the forums...to participate actively.... its not perfect..but its a good start.

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Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-05-24 06:56:31 UTC
I am on a very slippery slope. It all started when i found myself agreeing with MXZF on bad threads.

then i found myself agreeing with a goon

and now most recently , with Drake Draconis.

I do not agree with the way they convey themselves, but the core message is often the right one.

What exactly does CSM do if it isn't moderate the forum talking to players and collecting ideas to present to CCP?

Where were the CSM responses in the UI threads?
Other then Hans, talking about FW (of which i am not qualified to speak on) I haven't seen a CSM tag on anything that is currently important.

...... shoot, or on things that aren't. there is a conspicuous absence of CSM responses and yet i still get spam mail from them about voting. I hear more from my city councilman then from the CSM.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.

Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
#12 - 2012-05-24 07:48:48 UTC
I personally voted for Roc Wieler because I liked the majority of his ideas, as well as the ideals that he represented.

Here's the thing, the only member of the CSM I have heard **** from or about is Trebor Daehdoow, and that was in response to an EVE mail I sent the entire CSM. He took the time to reply, for which I can give him credit, unlike the rest of the council.

I actually did hear from other members of the former CSM, but that was only around election time when they were scratching for votes. I will always support the people with the ideas and ideals which align most with the things that will be in the best interests of New Eden, EVE Online, and the players.

But honestly, with the current CSM, I am less than ****ing thrilled, because they haven't said a damned thing to anyone about what the hell is going on, or if anything is even being done. And that is just wrong.

They are supposed to be the voice of the players. Not those who say their piece, do things to benefit their alliances, and pass it off as for the good of all.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2012-05-24 11:03:15 UTC
In fairness the CSM has little ability to influence which way things are going until you are in the room in person. You can make all the pretty arguments on forums you want but nothing actually ended up happening until we were able to face to face say that somebody's idea was dumb. Also just cause they aren't posting doesn't mean they aren't reading and making up their own minds based on your input.

If you want a personalized response I recommend you mail a CSM member directly. It's much MUCH more effective.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-05-24 14:43:59 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
I personally voted for Roc Wieler because I liked the majority of his ideas, as well as the ideals that he represented.

Here's the thing, the only member of the CSM I have heard **** from or about is Trebor Daehdoow, and that was in response to an EVE mail I sent the entire CSM. He took the time to reply, for which I can give him credit, unlike the rest of the council.

I actually did hear from other members of the former CSM, but that was only around election time when they were scratching for votes. I will always support the people with the ideas and ideals which align most with the things that will be in the best interests of New Eden, EVE Online, and the players.

But honestly, with the current CSM, I am less than ****ing thrilled, because they haven't said a damned thing to anyone about what the hell is going on, or if anything is even being done. And that is just wrong.

They are supposed to be the voice of the players. Not those who say their piece, do things to benefit their alliances, and pass it off as for the good of all.


Pretty much this.


And Trebor Daehdoow is a ####ing joke.

He's a political shovinast (sp?) who will stop at nothing to get an extra vote.

He only shows up and says a few things when it makes him look good in the spotlight.


I have seen little to nothing in the way of results as far as CSM is concerned.

In any rate... I don't expect CSM to ever produce results in a direct sense.

What I do expect is for them to do their ####ing job in representing the community as a whole and actually show up and participate on a level that makes it seem like they are at least trying.

None of this EVE Mail bullcrap.
No private convos behind closed doors.

Actual public participation in Assembly Hall and Feedback threads so the general population knows they exist...knows they can be approached and talked to.

The only time I ever see them show up in frequency is voting time.

And that frankly... is an insult and makes me wonder how the hell they get anywhere in the first place.


Abolish CSM? No.

Light a fire under their asses and get them to do their ####ing job and make an effort at it?

Hell Yes.

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Cyprus Black
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-05-24 21:27:15 UTC
I have absolutely no idea who the current CSMs are nor what they're up to.
I don't know what issues they're working with CCP on nor have I seen anything from then regarding.... well anything really.

Do we even have CSM members this time around? I honestly don't know.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-05-24 21:31:06 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
I have absolutely no idea who the current CSMs are nor what they're up to.
I don't know what issues they're working with CCP on nor have I seen anything from then regarding.... well anything really.

Do we even have CSM members this time around? I honestly don't know.


Exactly.

As soon as fanfest was over...aside from the mitanni-gate incident....there's been nothing but silence from the CSM.

Oh I know they are there.

But that's all I know.

That's pathetic.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#17 - 2012-05-25 02:57:23 UTC
Hate to say it, but I miss Anhk's CSM.

At least then we knew what was going on, even if it was pointless spoons.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-05-25 03:39:44 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Hate to say it, but I miss Anhk's CSM.

At least then we knew what was going on, even if it was pointless spoons.



*Shudders* I remember those days.... not quite desperate to say that at least.

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Rico Minali
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-05-25 07:38:00 UTC
Becasue they totally lack any decisive leadership or guiudance? Funny that.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

Yelena Fedorova
#20 - 2012-05-25 08:39:23 UTC
csm is being csm... just worse this round
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