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claire xxx
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#101 - 2012-05-24 20:39:54 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
claire xxx wrote:


Either apply the rules-determination-punishment equally, or not at all.




I guess the term "Let the Punishment Fit the Crime" is a lost concept on you.




That's not the point.

The point is that CCP made a rule and said PL violated the rule then didn't apply the punishment that CCP stated they would.

CCP didn't state that there would be a lesser punishment for a lesser crime.
CCP didn't even say there was a lesser crime.

It was 'if you're doing it then this is what will happen, end of story.'

Either apply the rule 100% or unban the alleged B team.
Lazarus Telraven
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#102 - 2012-05-24 20:40:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Lazarus Telraven
Raivi wrote:
Duncan Tanner wrote:
@ Grath/Tyyrax/Raivi

Any two teams that test against each other regularly will know the exact setups of the other team anyway. Setting up two POS in the same wormhole is going to prevent this somehow?

Why test against each other to begin with? Unlike you or Darkside we are both actually small alliances (the same types of alliances that Sreegs claims he is championing) and we do not have enough to do full tests as separate groups.

If CCP had said you cannot test like this when we asked we could've joined into a single group or come to some other arrangement. The fact is that they did not communicate anything with us even though we approached them multiple times. In fact, the only official communication we received said we could test like this.

All of this is very clearly outlined in Garmon's post or can be easily infered from it. However, I guess the prospect of not having to worry about us is too appealing for you.


If you want to compete against each other you'd keep at least some setups in reserve for when you face each other.

There's a big difference between two teams that "test with each other on Singularity for times when more numbers are needed." and teams sharing 100% of their ships and setups and relying on each other for logistics.

If you had asked the GM if you could 100% unify your testing, logistics and theorycrafting, I have a feeling he would have given a different answer.

I do agree that CCP should have responded earlier, but honestly if you had given them the whole story you should have known the answer would have been no.


i agree 100% with Raivi, there is absolutely no plausible reason that you could have thought that it would be ok to combine everything into a single entity and still appear to be two team.

Would the tournament be better with one of the teams. Yes, but as a collective group of individuals couldnt have thought this unity would have been ok.
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#103 - 2012-05-24 20:41:02 UTC
Raivi wrote:

If you want to compete against each other you'd keep at least some setups in reserve for when you face each other.

There's a big difference between two teams that "test with each other on Singularity for times when more numbers are needed." and teams sharing 100% of their ships and setups and relying on each other for logistics.

If you had asked the GM if you could 100% unify your testing, logistics and theorycrafting, I have a feeling he would have given a different answer.


How can you claim to know how much we've shared with each other and what we haven't discussed with each other unless you are in the leadership of either group (which is actually separate this year).

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Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#104 - 2012-05-24 20:42:47 UTC
This is pretty bullshit, not going to lie
Jolan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2012-05-24 20:42:55 UTC
hahaha... I don't even care about this... better chances for everyone else
Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2012-05-24 20:43:30 UTC
Darkside are the chief benefactors here by the looks of it, I saw a bit of faffy's hydrahate campaign, he must be feeling pretty smugdog at manipulating CCP so easily right now, I sure would be. Kudos all the way man...

ATX: The best of the rest.
Fish Mittens
0utbreak
#107 - 2012-05-24 20:43:35 UTC
Rojo Mojo wrote:

What you should of asked was: "Are 2 alliances that condense into 1 corp within one of the alliances to allow for easier logistics and theory crafting considered breaking this rule?

Dont think you would of gotten the same answer.


We are completely separate entities in eve, this was on the Test server remember not the actual live server. A quick look at each of our killboards and our members corp histories shows this.






Luis Graca
#108 - 2012-05-24 20:43:42 UTC
I may be wrong but since they didn't break any rule CCP just decided to kick them because they wanted and then gave some stupid explanation


Summary: CCP being CCP Ugh
CCP Loxy
C C P
C C P Alliance
#109 - 2012-05-24 20:47:52 UTC
Everyone, the GM response to the petition was not brought to the attention of the Alliance Tournament team and should not have been sent, this was an error that we will investigate further.

This does not change the violation of the rule by the teams Hydra Reloaded and Outbreak and the ruling will stand. We are watching teams that enter the tournament closely and in the spirit of the b and c team rule if we deem you as essentially the same "team" with two entries you will be removed from the Tournament.

The team considers this matter closed and not up for debate.

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Jolan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2012-05-24 20:48:28 UTC
one might say:

EVE ATX is Easy?
Hungry Ghost
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#111 - 2012-05-24 20:59:33 UTC
I really dont get it.
Why exactly teams feel the need to test in a wh?
Once you get an answer to that, why hydra&outbreak didnt care if they are testing in same system, but obviously do care enough about every other team to actually do testing in a wh?
After answering both - can you really still go for: "We are two different teams and not at all like last year"?

As for different treatment for PL & Hydra. I will try to translate a joke form russian. Sorry if i kill it in process, but you will get the point.

Guy gets banned from swimming pool. He goes:
-Why am i banned?
-For pissing in a pool.
-But a lot of people doing that. Maybe most. Why not ban them all?
-That may be so, but you were the only one pissing from a diving board.