EVE General Discussion

Eve need more CCP pod pilots for sure to continue to pull eve forvard,bar dmg control there is not much going on in eve...grief,farm,blob null bears,plex n bots.

Eve can be so much more also only thing cept nerf that could stop people farming inc,s was live events why is that overlooked by CCP boggles me.

I support the OP.

This is a good thread.

This is my last post.

Yes, but the history players make more or less involve things like:

-Allusions to one's mother and her alledged job in the world's oldest profession.
-Being called names of the homoerotic persuasion because you suck/you were lucky/you have friends with you, etc.
-Accusations of crying, whining, carebearing, blobbling, hotdropping, outnumbering, camping, ganking, griefing, sucking and, broadly speaking, being a horrible little person, because you shot them/were shot by them/couldn't shoot them/managed to avoid being shot.

So yes, I wouldn't mind at all if Sansha Kuvakei, or Salvador Sarpati, or Fatal & The Rabbit made an appearance and gave us some backstory to forget about what players are actually doing, when all is said and done.

If that Sansha dude was to implant his cranial thingies inside your standard capsuleer's brain, he could simply push it through an ear, while putting a finger against the other one to avoid the implant from coming out.

I don't care much about EVE RP and think the "real" history of the eve universe is written by its players (which is why retaining bittervets is so important - they provide a sense of continuity and teach new players the history of events that happened years ago).

However, I am not happy with the current state of the eve storyline:

* implementing FW and Incursions was a huge mistake imho as it means the Empyrean Age and Incursions storylines are not allowed to develop.

* the sleeper storyline feels not satisfactory - we were taunted for a very long time that we haven't discovered all that is to discover and that there is some mystery to be uncovered in w-space. As far as I am aware nothing was ever found that met the expectations set by CCP comments.
Initially I thought that introducing the Sansha on top of talocans, sleepers and rogue drones might just be a plot device to overcome this issue (of us players not finding what we were supposed to find - just make Kuvakei find out about it and us notice) but it hasn't lead to any form of resolution as far as I know - it just left a bigger mess.

* the war between the empires is raging on (apparently) but nothing has happened in Caldari Prime for almost four years?
Are the Gallente just happy for Caldari to have it or what?

* I would very much like to see some retconning rgd the Broker and the Enheduanni - find a way to get rid off them (Enheduanni is easy, Broker would be harder). Yeah, sufficiently advanced technology might be indistinguishable from magic but I'd rather have an EVE without that sort of thing.

* It feels like the EVE Universe grows more and more black and white while earlier everything came in shades of grey.
The second novel does try to revert that to some degree (by emphasizing that the pirate factions are not so different from the rest of us and that SoE are certainly no angels) but the Sansha story is a disappointment. Nothing left of the visionary and idealist who rallied people to build an utopian empire, he's just a generic "bad guy" now.
Maybe my recollection of the relevant lore is faulty but before Incursion I wasn't even sure if destroying his nation was justified - or if the empires just used the moral highground as an excuse to destroy what they saw as a potential rival. One would think such questions would resurface when he starts inflicting his revenge...

* My impression is that plot elements like the return of Jamyl Sarum or the rise of Heth were mostly introduced to wow the audience and not because they make a whole lot of sense in developing the eve universe.

Living in a time of big changes can certainly make for an exciting background - but the impact of these changes on the universe is usually not explored at all (events like Jamyl's return or the freeing of slaves must have a huge political and cultural impact - rendering a lot about what we know about the amarr empire moot, yet the gaps created by such events were never filled).

I might be wrong but I feel that between 2003 and 2008 CCP was content with fleshing out the background of the universe. Small story arcs happened (partly in-game via Aurora, partly via the news) but generally the chronicles and short stories concentrated on describing the history/background of the eve universe.

But with Empyrean Age CCP did for some reason decide that things need to be more dynamic and sent the universe storyline into a frenzied and completely erratic tumble. Empyrean Age, Apocrypha, Incursion, ... any semblance of realistic development and consistency is sacrificed for flashiness.
Everything that had developed over the last 100 years (and which CCP had worked so hard for the previous five years to explain to us) is overthrown in four years.

See "Templar One"

granted, it was a small nod to a Capsuleer battle out in Null Sec, but the Northern Coalition WAS mentioned.

it's like page 170....? that sounds a bit early in the book but it's something like that.

Templar One actually does go into quite a bit of detail into the Sleepers. And, IMHO, explains why the WHs opened. No, I'm not going to post spoilers. gonna leave that to someone else.

Supporting this topic because I think CCP still does not understand that they've flipped the RP community the bird with "Incarna" and the years preceding it where features like FW and Incursions were not fully thought/worked out from the RP perspective.

And the new fiction portal is great, but it does not make up for all that.

the problem with having long term consequences of factional warfare is it would innevitably end up being one faction controlling almost all empire space and nullsecers trying to invade empire space, or one faction becoming omni-powerul and taking over the entire EVE universe, i've played games where that has happened and it ruins the whole system

Honestly, it feel to me as if CCP went down the early "immersion" route to fill out a niche and build up a playerbase.

Now they have one, RPers and people who just casually like story driven MMO's just seem to have been treated like a cheap one night stand.

All in all, now they have more business, CCP as a company seems to be getting all Hipster a**hole about itself, and about stroyline and gameplay.

The fact that BoB was even allowed to exist as long as it did is case and point as to why Null politics should NOT be EVE's sole selling point.