Player Features and Ideas Discussion

+1

either remove it or make it same grid only as overview is

i want station guest list removed also

and buyer seller identity removed from wallet journal/transactions

find another way to initiate trades, they are all scammy anyways unless its someone you probably already have in another window. like corp/alliance

You can minimize the local chat, if you don't like it

So nice to see that you've already decided that the debate regarding local has finished. A bit like a religious fundamentalist deciding that all other monotheistics should die because they don't share the same, insane, viewpoint.

You seem to have completely brushed over all the reasons not to lose local. You don't propose anything to fix the rather obvious bias towards pirates where your change is concerned. One can only surmise that this is because the complete and total removal of the intel provided by local would suit you down to the ground and screw whether it's good for the game as a whole.




The fact that you know you're going to get flamed, hard, shows that you already know that more people will disagree with you than agree.

Mind you, the main reason for you getting flamed is that you've just proposed removing something from the game without addressing any of the fallout that would cause.

I'm all for removing local as a meta-intelligence tool.

However, this needs to be doen when the career aspect of the recon/scout role is improved upon with intelligence tools and mods that can help feed data to fleets/corps/alliances as required.

In this sense removing local as an intel tool is a good idea, but not without first allowing some other form of methodology to replace it with an IG intelligence method more involved with actual player activity in space from scouts.

Because without it your suggestion isn't well thought through. You're just suggesting removing something that a lot of people use without even attempting to compensate for it. Not surprising you're expecting to get flamed.

I don't object to local being removed as long as there are, as suggested by others, new tools for discovering the same or similar intel.

I have no vested interest either way, personally. I live in a wormhole so I already have no intel. But you'd be completely buggering nullsec by just removing local.



EDIT - removed line. Unnecessarily confrontational.

No more whining about AFK cloakers? Perhaps. A MASSIVE increase in whining about being ganked by cloaked ships will ensue from the nullsec crowd however. If you thought the AFK cloakers whines were bad you wait till the entire population of lowsec and a large chunk of high sec realise that with a decently fitted force recon or tech III they can fly about nullsec almost immune and unknown killing mining ships left, right and centre because the pilots had no idea that there was anyone in local. Once the nullsec bears realise that they have absolutely no chance of mining or ratting with any form of security they'll rage quit or move back to high sec, completely reversing the "move to nullsec" push that CCP and large chunks of the community have been on for some time.

One might almost think that your main purpose here is to get rid of cloaking entirely with this suggestion as that would be the end result unless there was some other way to find out if there are cloaked ships in your system.



I'll give you that one. But that could be solved by, as someone else already suggested, just removing local in Jita.



Again, nope. I've seen several suggestions that haven't got flamed at all. That was because they were good, well thought through, simple changes that didn't negatively affect anyone. Of course you'll get flamed for suggesting a badly thought out proposal that doesn't even attempt to address the ramifications of implimentation.

+1 with the caveat that your idea is incomplete.

For lack of a more familiar reference, players need a radar screen.
(Radar screen fails to explain the concept properly, but most will get the basic idea)

Ships have sensors. USE THEM.
People want a convenient heads up display for important information, and without a doubt this should be considered important.

Here is a simple tip: Use the overview. It can do this surprisingly well.

Just add a category of items to the overview, call them sensor items. Highlight them in day-glo green or something so they stand out.
Your ship's sensor strength and your detecting abilities combine to give your current ship it's sensor range. You can't see whats outside your visual range, neither can your ship.

Got a cloak? Is your cloaking skill higher than their sensor skill? They can't see you until you get closer then.
The passive default scan will never see a cloaked vessel.
They will be warned a cloaked vessel is in range if they do active scans, just not details about how many or how far.
Active scans can be toggled on, but need to be reset after anything that moves you off your current grid, like undocking / changing systems / warping to another spot in system.

Logic: you must make an effort to detect someone making an effort to hide. If they are better at hiding, then they can get closer to you before you can know they are there.

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+1 to this!

If you make a module usable by scout ships that are able to scan a system in say 10 sec and give the names of every one in system, then that would work.

Also, allow someone who has been in a system for a sufficient period of time (say 1 minute) to link to the gate and see a system population and nothing else.

Then make local a chat channel that you can subscribe to if you want to.

Problem solved.

And I guess that since this would mean "removing local" I have to give this thread a +1

I see nothing wrong with local the way that it is.

Does it give an brief advantage to non combat seeking pilots, looking to just pass through? "yes"

Is it still possible for a highly skilled pvp player to gate camp and snag the occasional "fly in his web"? "yes"

It seems to be pretty balanced in my opinion. Besides, CCP have other things to fix (Inventory Unification being the most important).

How long would you suggest the auto cloak when jumping in be extended by?

It would have to be significantly long, to allow for scanning to take place, while auto cloaked.

Otherwise, the being blind to possible gankers, pirates, war targets, etc would be one sided in favor of the gate camper.

Bottom line, if you don't believe there is more than enough risk in EVE, please point out another MMO that has more or even the same amount? If you do find one, then perhaps that is a better game for you?