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Merc Market? Anyone else disappointed in it?

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Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-05-24 00:50:38 UTC
I figured the Merc Market would be more than just a button and be an actual - you know - market. I figured it would give us a list of Merc Corps that we could evaluate by looking at members histories, number of kills vs losses and such. Why couldn't CCP add this kind of feature to it so that people can make better decisions on who they wish to hire?
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-05-24 00:57:50 UTC
Maybe if you spent some time on the test server before the expansion is released you could have given them this feedback.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
#3 - 2012-05-24 00:58:58 UTC
Look at the UI, CCP really listens right?

As CCP said, ACTIONS not words... unsub is the only way to get things changed.
NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#4 - 2012-05-24 01:00:08 UTC
Funny i bumped into this thread, i spent 5 mins looking for the merc market and couldn't find it.. I now discover the market is infact not a market but a list of recent wars and previous wars... not really a market i might add..

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Rengerel en Distel
#5 - 2012-05-24 01:16:40 UTC
They really should have changed all the inferno graphics when they decided to go with "ally system" instead of "merc marketplace" ... would have saved on the confusion.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Mathias Hex
#6 - 2012-05-24 01:42:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mathias Hex
Ya they sure put enough hype into a one button feature, gonna have to look for a dev blog about it tomarrow I was certain we were getting more.

Edit: Ok no dev blog's on merc markets but I do find this misleading especially the part about picking and choosing the best group to deliver your revenge, the merc market matches desire with ability ect ect.

CCP wrote:
After you’ve cut your teeth in Factional Warfare or solo combat, it’s time to step into the shadows. Build a reputation together with your friends as the best mercenary crew in the universe. Have an axe to grind with someone? Now you can pick and choose the best group to deliver your revenge. The Mercenary Marketplace matches desire with ability, and reputation with wealth and fame. Become feared and adored among hundreds of thousands of players in one EVE Universe!


Now I'm no internet lawyer steve but if they advertise that as a feature are they not obligated by law to implement it? Or are we all just to dumb to find it. (yes I even looked in the market screen P )

I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#7 - 2012-05-24 03:40:58 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Maybe if you spent some time on the test server before the expansion is released you could have given them this feedback.


What's the point in giving feedback when it's simply ignored. The spacebook forum and now the new inventory system are good examples.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Endeavour Starfleet
#8 - 2012-05-24 04:07:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
alittlebirdy wrote:
Look at the UI, CCP really listens right?

As CCP said, ACTIONS not words... unsub is the only way to get things changed.


Stop posting idiotic things and wasting people's time.

Unsub over the fact that you cant adapt to the UI? I would ask for your stuff but I doubt it has any value.

admiral root wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Maybe if you spent some time on the test server before the expansion is released you could have given them this feedback.


What's the point in giving feedback when it's simply ignored. The spacebook forum and now the new inventory system are good examples.



Read the latest dev blog. They are already acting on some of the feedback and there will be a ton more in the future. Instead of whining how about good suggestions?
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-05-24 04:11:32 UTC
YEah I thought mercs could put up a contract in the contract system , to adverse themseleves and name the price for thier protection.

Is there any way at all to see the top merc corps? And the prices they charge?

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Republic Citizen
#10 - 2012-05-24 05:12:43 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Read the latest dev blog. They are already acting on some of the feedback and there will be a ton more in the future. Instead of whining how about good suggestions?


People don't wanna make good suggestions. They just wanna play. And they pay for it, EVE is not another-FTP-mmo-game.
So... if CCP wants a good suggestions, they should PAY for that kind of feedback. Players aren't testers, you know.

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#11 - 2012-05-24 05:20:50 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
YEah I thought mercs could put up a contract in the contract system , to adverse themseleves and name the price for thier protection.

Is there any way at all to see the top merc corps? And the prices they charge?

If only there was some kind of centralized location, some kind of..."merc contracts" channel that was available for people to find established, reputable mercenary groups that won't rip you off. A method of contacting representatives from these groups, via some kind of electronic correspondence system or real-time interpersonal text-based communication interface, would also be a welcome addition to the game.



The addition of a hard-coded system for paying for mercenaries/initiating ally wars has already done enough damage to player freedom. Why do we need even more roadblocks in place that prevent people from ripping each other off? And this is coming from someone who does honest work, too.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-05-24 05:25:06 UTC  |  Edited by: MotherMoon
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:
YEah I thought mercs could put up a contract in the contract system , to adverse themseleves and name the price for thier protection.

Is there any way at all to see the top merc corps? And the prices they charge?

If only there was some kind of centralized location, some kind of..."merc contracts" channel that was available for people to find established, reputable mercenary groups that won't rip you off. A method of contacting representatives from these groups, via some kind of electronic correspondence system or real-time interpersonal text-based communication interface, would also be a welcome addition to the game.



The addition of a hard-coded system for paying for mercenaries/initiating ally wars has already done enough damage to player freedom. Why do we need even more roadblocks in place that prevent people from ripping each other off? And this is coming from someone who does honest work, too.


that's like arguing we shouldn't have the corp finder. Because it means more to find corps to join on your own without some list that lets corporations look for new members.

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#13 - 2012-05-24 05:29:06 UTC
Nah, that's a bit different. Corp finder doesn't force people into honesty through hard-coded game mechanics. The new mercenary thing does.

Now, a "mercenary group" can't scam someone out of a fee and then not provide service, and a "client" isn't able to demand services up-front and then renege on the payment. I find this detrimental to Sandbox(tm). Well, they still can, but only if they bypass the new system entirely. Why would anyone do such a thing, though?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-05-24 06:09:45 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Nah, that's a bit different. Corp finder doesn't force people into honesty through hard-coded game mechanics. The new mercenary thing does.

Now, a "mercenary group" can't scam someone out of a fee and then not provide service, and a "client" isn't able to demand services up-front and then renege on the payment. I find this detrimental to Sandbox(tm). Well, they still can, but only if they bypass the new system entirely. Why would anyone do such a thing, though?


That's how it should be. Eve is full of scamming, what else would set the price of trust? You pay big or you risk being stabbed in the back by a corp that doesn't have a good reputation.

However all I'm saying is there should be a UI window that shows every corp that lists themselfs as up for auction. From new players with little reputation charging less, and corps with a great record for success having the highest prices.

All set up players stabing each other in the back. what more eve could you want?

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Endeavour Starfleet
#15 - 2012-05-24 06:21:52 UTC
Republic Citizen wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Read the latest dev blog. They are already acting on some of the feedback and there will be a ton more in the future. Instead of whining how about good suggestions?


People don't wanna make good suggestions. They just wanna play. And they pay for it, EVE is not another-FTP-mmo-game.
So... if CCP wants a good suggestions, they should PAY for that kind of feedback. Players aren't testers, you know.


Why aren't you a special one. How DARE they ask for feedback and not pay you!!! Roll

You remind me of another poster during the start of the launcher who DEMANDED CCP give him free game time because his computer could not handle the launcher but that was somehow CCPs fault despite CCP following basic standards.

Get with the program. Companies that are successful want to make use of feedback from their customers and the best feedback is detailed feedback without the whines and saying "OH NOES IM GONNA QUIT!!!111"
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-05-24 06:44:12 UTC
Yeah I was a bit disappointed too. But it can be easily fixed. All they need to do is add another tab that lists merc corps with a short description. Price will always be negotiated with a convo and history is easier to look up via killboards so just a listing of mercs open for contracts would make the system great.
Zoloft Rx
Forged Prophets
#17 - 2012-05-24 07:22:37 UTC
"market" is just a marketing word for inferno.. They had to polish a turd because they are realizing they are falling back to old ways.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#18 - 2012-05-24 07:44:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
To be disappointed one has to expect something. After Incarna I don't expect CCP may deliver any interesting and substantial / complete update to EVE while there are *other* game(s) in development. Just mini-games / slivers of actual updates, sets of debugs and maybe 1-2 new ship types and few modules per year. Just to support idea "if there was hundreds-megabyte patch - therefore it was yearly update".

My opinion: while DUST and World of Vampires projects are alive there will be no interesting updates for EVE. I.e. we won't see anything interesting for at least +2 years (next year EVE "expansion" will be affected by DUST development as well).
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#19 - 2012-05-24 12:08:25 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Read the latest dev blog. They are already acting on some of the feedback and there will be a ton more in the future. Instead of whining how about good suggestions?


I think you're missing the point of having a feedback thread for the test server, which is redundant if you're going to release borked code and then get duplicate feedback before you fix things.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-05-24 12:28:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
masternerdguy wrote:
Maybe if you spent some time on the test server before the expansion is released you could have given them this feedback.


It's not our job to develop the game.

That said, this is just the initial release of the merc contract system so i'm sure we will see its logical progression towards what the OP was expecting.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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