EVE General Discussion

t2 material sourcing isn't going to get changed any faster no matter how many threads you start.

tech isn't fundamentally any more "broken" than it has been for over a year. The effect on nullsec politics is the same as it was almost two years ago and the t2 market keeps chugging along like it always will.

ccp is going to fix it when they have a good fix ready; industrialists crying because they have to adjust to fluctuating prices is absolutely inconsequential to the decision process

Edit: goonswarm leadership were the first to insist that tech was going to bottleneck (referencing akita t's analysis) and that bottlenecked t2 mats leads to suboptimal nullsec strategic incentives. they have maintained this position throughout, even as they have become the 2nd largest holder of tech moons. suggesting that goons as a collective have some ulterior motive when calling out yours and similarly terrible threads is farcical; your threads are just terrible.

The entire moon mining system is flawed - as previously stated, it provides a static rate of supply for commodities that have non-static demand. Tech 2 prices are rising because of OTEC's grip on the technetium price point, and mineral prices are rising because of Hulkageddon and the lingering aftermath of the Jita interdiction. As a canny industrialist, I can beat mineral price inflation because I have arrangements with mineral suppliers who have guaranteed sources, and I can negotiate a more reasonable price with them for bulk orders. Should I find myself in desperate need of minerals, I could even mine them myself in a Rokh.

Had I the patience for Tech 2 production, however, there would be no alternative means for me to obtain technetium - I would have to go to OTEC, as there's no other people who could effectively supply such a commodity. Certainly I couldn't obtain it myself - my alliance doesn't have anywhere near the military capability to defend and hold a tech moon.

Well then sir your eyes are working, because that's about all they do. :P

Personally I think one of the biggest problem is the jump mechanics. It's so easy to jump your massive fleet all across the universe you can have assets all over. Goons have tech moons way out of their territory. If it was a bit harder to defend moons that were 50 systems away from your home system, I think we'd see a bit more even spread of the Eve resources. But the way it is now the major alliances can hold all the Tech moons and easily defend them because they can jump their titan fleet pretty much anywhere.

Just a quick question here. How hard exactly are you covering your ears and screaming "lalalacan'thearyoulalala" when we repeatedly tell you that we have been asking for a nerf since forever ago?

Edit: Oh dear, it seems I've confused one faceless alt for another. You do all look so alike

planets can have large deposits mined out, sorta, why cant moons do the same?

Replying once again in a JitaPriceChecker2 fix tech bottleneck thread with an obligatory post about implementing R32 alchemy and possibly adding ring mining afterwards if alchemy is not enough.

If R32 alchemy isn't a semi-decent 'fix' to the technetium bottleneck then someone please explain why.

Keep it up JitaPriceChecker2 I support this service and/or product. At least there are some people who think the bottleneck is a problem, including me.

Once again, keep it up. We all know CCP will eventually fix it. Oh... and dev posts are always welcome on this subject.

Look at you not knowing what you are talking about. The only thing ditching JB networks does is makes it hard for individual pilots to go about their business. Convoys still take forever, often breaking JB lines due to running out of fuel, and bouncing down the wrong pipe in a JB chain can actually end up with you farther away by manual jumps than you started out with.

But that's neither here nor there: We convoy at the beginning of deployments. Not every day. Not in the middle. At the beginning. When we are "Projecting Power" we will stage ahead of time, those of us with caps will go dump our Dreads up real quick, then make multiple trips in our carriers to move all of our fighting ships, and usually a buddy or two's ships as well. Meanwhile other members will generally convoy one or two ships up and use reimbursements to keep them running.

Alliance logistics will move combat hulls into place so we can restock outside of our territory. The only time in recent history that we didn't do a local deployment and instead relied on jump bridges to move quickly was almost a year and a half ago in the Fountain Campaign, and ultimately most of us ended up dumping combat hulls into a station in Cloud Ring because it was a pain in the ass to huff up and down the JB highway. The other reason we did this? Regional camps. A JB highway only stretches so far, and at the end of it there is a logical place to dump about 30 or so SB's. Look up the kill stats for J5A during the fountain campaign.

If you get rid of Jump bridges you aren't going to nerf our ability to shuffle **** into a staging system, at most you'll do is add an hour to the deployment, or force us to run carrier convoys. What you will do however is make any attempt at homeland defense near impossible, and make actually living in 0.0 that much more miserable.

They tried this and it didn't have the top down effect you are suggesting.

Massive NAP train super coalitions held on, any and every alliance with less than 2000 people got crushed in to the rug. Many alliances that would rather not NAP up have done so in the past few years because as renegade units they simply can't compete.

The moons are passive after you've set up the pos and napped everything within 5 regions.

You only need to turn up to refill the fuel and empty silos.

Zero reason to log in and actually press buttons to mine it.

Harvesting mods live inside the tower as well, so no Exposure there either.

Two easy fixes to force people to undock and defend their infra structure from roaming barbarians. Move those modules outside the tower (sure solo can stay inside) and require modules to be manned to mine

To attack a tech moon you would have to :

- break a nap (if you're not under some form of nap, you've no chance of getting this far)
- deploy a serious fleet to drop any cyno hammers
- deploy bigger fleet of caps
- do this multiple times across multiple days

Good luck with that :-)

*SMUG*

so you're just asking questions