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Leeroy McJenkins
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-05-14 15:47:13 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:
Loius Woo wrote:
The biggest selling point of eve over other MMOs on a concept level is that it is not a SHARD system. Everyone is in one universe.

Shards are dumb.

-1


Maybe I just don't want people like you in my universe. lol


You probably don't want them pedophiles and rapists in your RL universe either. But hey there's only one universe and that's kinda the point, deal with it. It's how you deal with it that makes the universe interesting.

I Don't play EVE

Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#22 - 2012-05-14 17:05:10 UTC
What you described is pretty much EXACTLY the test server to the tee.

Free pvp in the main testing system, and for this idiot noob who wants a server strictly for PVE without having the risk of interruption by other players, Singularity also has that. Combat is by consent only, so you can log onto the test server and mission all you want, in Jita if you wanted, without a single person disturbing you.

This is probably the whiniest, noobest idea I've ever heard.

Loius Woo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-05-14 17:10:42 UTC
Leto Aramaus wrote:
What you described is pretty much EXACTLY the test server to the tee.

Free pvp in the main testing system, and for this idiot noob who wants a server strictly for PVE without having the risk of interruption by other players, Singularity also has that. Combat is by consent only, so you can log onto the test server and mission all you want, in Jita if you wanted, without a single person disturbing you.

This is probably the whiniest, noobest idea I've ever heard.



Agreed.

Notice how when you take out the bits that the OP doesn't want in his server, you get the test server where there is NO consequences, or compelling reason to do anything.

Without the danger of Eve, there is no reason to play this game. It is the one universe with dangerous people that makes this game great.

Go find another game, one with shards, where you can choose your play friends and your rules. Leave EVE hard for the adults.
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#24 - 2012-05-14 18:23:54 UTC
HARD STEEL wrote:
Follow your logic to the very end. If you got what you just asked for - a safe game to play sim-base, you wouldn't want this anymore. This is what you're asking for - http://www.onemorelevel.com/game/stat_builder

This game is a challenge, to get to the top you need to challenge yourself in ways you never have before - instead of asking how to make all these bad things go away, ask yourself how you can thrive in this environment. Challenge yourself - get curious.. the rewards and emotions that come from victory and failure will be worth 1000x more than what your imagined safe game would give you.

Take a f'ing chance, what do you wanna live forever? Or just play on SiSi. Holy crap man


Get to the top? Are you serious? This game HAS NO TOP, it's all quicksand. You can't WIN at eve.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.

cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#25 - 2012-05-14 18:25:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyndrogen
Loius Woo wrote:
Leto Aramaus wrote:
What you described is pretty much EXACTLY the test server to the tee.

Free pvp in the main testing system, and for this idiot noob who wants a server strictly for PVE without having the risk of interruption by other players, Singularity also has that. Combat is by consent only, so you can log onto the test server and mission all you want, in Jita if you wanted, without a single person disturbing you.

This is probably the whiniest, noobest idea I've ever heard.



Agreed.

Notice how when you take out the bits that the OP doesn't want in his server, you get the test server where there is NO consequences, or compelling reason to do anything.

Without the danger of Eve, there is no reason to play this game. It is the one universe with dangerous people that makes this game great.

Go find another game, one with shards, where you can choose your play friends and your rules. Leave EVE hard for the adults.


What difference would it make to you? Are you afraid all the "carebears" would leave your precious TQ? Are you afraid of only having to fight against hardcore players like yourself? You need carebaears don't you? Admit it!

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.

Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#26 - 2012-05-14 20:04:08 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:
Loius Woo wrote:
Leto Aramaus wrote:
What you described is pretty much EXACTLY the test server to the tee.

Free pvp in the main testing system, and for this idiot noob who wants a server strictly for PVE without having the risk of interruption by other players, Singularity also has that. Combat is by consent only, so you can log onto the test server and mission all you want, in Jita if you wanted, without a single person disturbing you.

This is probably the whiniest, noobest idea I've ever heard.



Agreed.

Notice how when you take out the bits that the OP doesn't want in his server, you get the test server where there is NO consequences, or compelling reason to do anything.

Without the danger of Eve, there is no reason to play this game. It is the one universe with dangerous people that makes this game great.

Go find another game, one with shards, where you can choose your play friends and your rules. Leave EVE hard for the adults.


What difference would it make to you? Are you afraid all the "carebears" would leave your precious TQ? Are you afraid of only having to fight against hardcore players like yourself? You need carebaears don't you? Admit it!

No I think they are worried that CCP would spend money running two complete setups of EVE with no increase in income, leading to the company falling apart due to drop in profits and then EVE is gone forever.


Or maybe I'm just reading way to much into it.Smile
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#27 - 2012-05-22 21:09:36 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
cyndrogen wrote:
Loius Woo wrote:
Leto Aramaus wrote:
What you described is pretty much EXACTLY the test server to the tee.

Free pvp in the main testing system, and for this idiot noob who wants a server strictly for PVE without having the risk of interruption by other players, Singularity also has that. Combat is by consent only, so you can log onto the test server and mission all you want, in Jita if you wanted, without a single person disturbing you.

This is probably the whiniest, noobest idea I've ever heard.



Agreed.

Notice how when you take out the bits that the OP doesn't want in his server, you get the test server where there is NO consequences, or compelling reason to do anything.

Without the danger of Eve, there is no reason to play this game. It is the one universe with dangerous people that makes this game great.

Go find another game, one with shards, where you can choose your play friends and your rules. Leave EVE hard for the adults.


What difference would it make to you? Are you afraid all the "carebears" would leave your precious TQ? Are you afraid of only having to fight against hardcore players like yourself? You need carebaears don't you? Admit it!

No I think they are worried that CCP would spend money running two complete setups of EVE with no increase in income, leading to the company falling apart due to drop in profits and then EVE is gone forever.


Or maybe I'm just reading way to much into it.Smile



fiction: eve will fail with another shard.

reality: wow has millions of members, while eve has yet to reach a mass audience.

Every game has : EASY MEDIUM AND HARD levels of play, eve is very difficult if you can't allocate all your time to it which I think is a huge mistake and you will miss out on the majority of customers who have a life outside of eve.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.

Serina Tsukaya
Dropbears Anonymous
Brave Collective
#28 - 2012-05-23 09:10:05 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:


fiction: eve will fail with another shard.

reality: wow has millions of members, while eve has yet to reach a mass audience.

Every game has : EASY MEDIUM AND HARD levels of play, eve is very difficult if you can't allocate all your time to it which I think is a huge mistake and you will miss out on the majority of customers who have a life outside of eve.




Fiction: Eve has a level cap

Fiction: Eve's server system means that there's a hard cap on the amount of people playing on a single shard.

Fiction: There are enough players to populate more than one shard.

Fiction: Eve is a casual game.

Fiction: Eve wants to be wow and make shittons of money by dumbing down the game.

Fiction: Every game has Easy, medium and hard gameplay levels. Eve doesn't, most flash games don't have that option either. Very few visual novels have that option, and I'm pretty sure there isn't a easy/medium/hard gameplay setting on wow either.

Fact: Eve doesn't have a level cap, but instead depends on how long your account has been active for "Skill" acquisition, playing the game however, is the only way to get better at the game.

Fact: With the way eve is set up, and how basically you can move systems between nodes, a very large amount of people can play the game on one server without causing lag given normal, Non blob activities.

Fact: There's still a lot of room in New eden, and plenty of space for everyone, given that you're willing to find somewhere else to live.

Fact: Eve is a game for those who believe that Internet spaceships are serious business, and are willing to invest time into the game in order to excel in it. This game has the cost of ships, has the training, and all that jazz so that every event will feel MEANINGFUL. Losing a ship is not supposed to be something you just shrug off. How boring would eve be if you just re-spawned in the station with your ship and all your stuff? PvP in eve would die a quick and horrible death because there would be no consequences for your actions, your actions would not impact anything.

If you could just go and get a titan, then how fun would the game really be? The economy adds more sides to the game play, and by extension INTELLIGENCE into the game. You don't fly with something you can't replace. The satisfaction of blowing someone up is mostly due to knowing how much time and energy was spent obtaining that ship, and that you bested him whilst having put your ship and your time on the line.

Fact: Eve is how eve is, and will always be eve no matter how hard CCP tries to screw the game over. If they start to pander towards newer players by for example reducing training times or making the game in general easier, then they know that the game will die in a matter of weeks if not days.

It's just not a game you can do that sort of thing with, because it would be unfair to the people who have already invested so much time into the game for it to suddenly take half a day to get into a T-2 fitted frigate, and five days to fly a fully T-2 fitted battleship.

Eve is also a very old mmo, but the amount of subscribers has increased from year to year, unlike many other mmos out there. Whilst it's market share isn't huge, it's not meant to be played by everyone and their cat. It's for everyone who likes space ships and like having to make decisions that will have an actual and meaningful effect on the game world in one way or another, even if it is just a small change.
HARD STEEL
Caldari Capital Construction Company
#29 - 2012-05-23 14:14:58 UTC  |  Edited by: HARD STEEL
so do you need easy mode in real life too?

creating "modes" ruins the niche this game lives in, god forbid you got listened to here - this game would become WOW in space and become a me-too clone and become worthless.

here's your chance to grow and you complain and ask for easy mode. nice.

ONLY THE HARD.  ONLY THE STRONG.

Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#30 - 2012-05-23 16:24:41 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:

fiction: eve will fail with another shard.


Don't be absurd. An enormous percentage of the population would cancel their accounts should CCP diverge from their advertised standpoint in this way. It's known and understood by the majority that the single shard aspect of this game is one of the prime reasons that it's different from other MMOs and thus special.

cyndrogen wrote:

reality: wow has millions of members, while eve has yet to reach a mass audience.


Reality: For nearly the entire player base of eve, WoW sucks. You simply can't compare the two because WoW is marketed to those that want a nice fluffy easy "I'm the hero" game. EvE is basically the polar opposite. There are more people that want to be coddled than want to be brutalised/brutalise. Simple fact. That doesn't make WoW better, just more popular. If you prefer the WoW style might I suggest you FOT.

cyndrogen wrote:

Every game has : EASY MEDIUM AND HARD levels of play, eve is very difficult if you can't allocate all your time to it which I think is a huge mistake and you will miss out on the majority of customers who have a life outside of eve.


All the best games only have one level of difficulty and that is set by your opponent. So yeah, you're full of ****. EvE is very difficult if you can't work out how to play it and have no interest in playing in any way other than solo.

I find it hilarious that people still think they can persuade CCP to go the route of SOE. ie short term purely financial viewpoint with no concept of the game's longevity. CCP have proved that they have a better vision and a better ear to the community than any other MMO producer out there so those of us that love and appreciate this unique game have nothing to fear from the likes of you.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#31 - 2012-05-23 18:05:35 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:
Oh, i'm not against the risks of pvp in Eve. I would just like a version where the pvp was consentual...Then I could decide when I was willing to risk losing a ship, and thus be able to have the backings in isk when I do lose a ship...but again, just wishful thinking, will probably not happen.


Already in the game. It's called the "I consent to getting violenced anywhere and everywhere at the whim of other players" button (generally written as "undock" in most stations).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Nathanael Lemmont
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-05-23 20:25:25 UTC
This thread is adorable.

To wit, creating another shard goes against every single overarching design philosophy that's been put into EVE for the past decade. The devs would never, ever do it, certainly not because a few people are uncomfortable with the central core and spirit of the game.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-05-23 20:36:32 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Nathanael Lemmont wrote:
This thread is adorable.

To wit, creating another shard goes against every single overarching design philosophy that's been put into EVE for the past decade. The devs would never, ever do it, certainly not because a few people are uncomfortable with the central core and spirit of the game.


tl;dr:

SiSi and the Chinese server is a lie. It never happened. Gold farming is not hardcore. Chinese do not exist. I, TEST peon, am the boss of the central core and spirit of Eve.Big smile
realdognose
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-05-23 22:05:52 UTC
Go, Play Homeworld! - Problem solved.
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#35 - 2012-05-24 08:59:30 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Nathanael Lemmont wrote:
This thread is adorable.

To wit, creating another shard goes against every single overarching design philosophy that's been put into EVE for the past decade. The devs would never, ever do it, certainly not because a few people are uncomfortable with the central core and spirit of the game.


tl;dr:

SiSi and the Chinese server is a lie. It never happened. Gold farming is not hardcore. Chinese do not exist. I, TEST peon, am the boss of the central core and spirit of Eve.Big smile


SISI is a test server. TEST server. It's not part of the EvE universe.

The Chinese server is because the Chinese aren't allowed to play with the rest of us. It doesn't detract from the "real" EvE universe for that precise reason.

Serina Tsukaya
Dropbears Anonymous
Brave Collective
#36 - 2012-05-24 09:39:25 UTC
I also forgot to add that they're going out of their way to make sure that Dust becomes a part of the TQ shard, and not have them as seperate entities.
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