EVE General Discussion

CCP, please dont listen to idiots who have no idea how to adapt themselves to some insignificant changes like the inventory.

Exemple

Inferno may not be perfect, but I think it's a step forward in the good direction.

-Missiles are awesome
-kill reports already existed by 3rd parties but it's nice to have them in game,
-FW, I think it's a really good thing that your enemy cant dock anymore in "your house". it may **** off some people, but this is war. If I declare war to a country I don't expect to let me go in anymore. Pure logic.
-Amarr ships, looks ok to me, but not all people have the same tastes.
-Inventory *For now* I don't had any problem with it. filters are VERY nice. But I think that it has some limitations and still need some upgrades. But again, it's a step in the right direction. An option to keep the old inventory would have been nice guys.
-skin colors, I dont get how people can complain about this one, more choice can't be bad right? Oh and you gave a free resculpt to everybody.


"I'll unsub until that **** is fixed"... please man, if you cant adapt yourself to some little changes that are in Inferno, and you want to unsub your 7 accounts because you need to make a *UUURRGH* effort, just unsub, we dont need you in the game. Go cry to you mommy about this stuff

Sincerely

-Someone who understood that change is good, and adapting a necessity.

PS: if you want to whine and post stuff like "you're an idiot", "you'll accept anything CCP will do", "I want my old game back", dont post here and dont waste your time, there is already 300 post like this go and look in one of those.

If you want to have a smart conversation about how you disagree with me, it will be a pleasure guys :)

EDIT: it seems that some people miss what I want to do here, may be poor english, may be I expressed myself badly, sorry about that. I actually have no problem with people who dislike some features. As mentioned it's impossible to please everybody. I just dislike the kind of rage post where the OP says things like "inferno is crap, fix it or I unsub" or even "EVE-is-crapier-than-ever-but-I-have-no-idea-how-to-make-it-better-exept-reverse-the-changes" posts

It's easy to rage in forums, I would like to see something constructive here. Ideas how to fix what you dont like, not just "give me my old inventory baaaack!!!", may be concepts for the next expansion if you prefer

Sure, just a little more testing would have helped, but overall I have to agree. If the bugs get fixed it will be a fine expansion.

And tbh, I just don't understand the rage about the usability of the new inventory. It's a pleasure to work with (in some aspects pretty similar to the windows explorer) and everyone who has ever hauled stuff using a pimped hauler or an Orca and lots of cargo containers to squeeze in some more m³ of stuff will simply love the ease of use.
Before it was a royal pain in the ass juggling around with like 10 to 15 (or more for an Orca) windows from different containers or a ton of tabs in one large window blocking the view on everything else..

Did I mention that I LOVE the new bomber models?

Matching platitude with platitude, there's also the platitude "if it ain't broken don't fix it". (But of course "broken" means different things to different people.)

So far as I can see, nothing about the update except the inventory situation is a real problem, but the inventory thing is evidently a BIG problem for many users.

It amazes me how you get these "no problems tralalalala" threads coming out of the woodwork when there are real problems with EVE. There were a few of these kinds of threads last year during the Incarna fiasco. I guess some people have no sense of how to read the situation from forums. It's almost as if people chuck these kinds of posts out thinking that chanting "adapt or die" is the "EVE way", and want to be fit in with the big boys and be cool.

Unfortunately, it's the big boys that are pissed off with the inventory, just as it's the big boys who were pissed off about Incarna last year.

For my part, it's easy to distinguish mere whining from genuine concern (of the kind that CCP needs to sit up and take notice). The inventory situation is (to me) obviously the latter, and actually quite urgent (in terms of potential loss of subcription).

CCP, please, for future notice, don't just randomly change things that people have deeply ingrained into their nervous systems through years of play. An improvement always means a net improvement. If you've improved some things (as indeed the new inventory has) but broken more things by introducing that change (i.e. broken the fluid connection many players had between their UI and their gameplay), expect trouble.

Barbelo,

I agree that the inventory still need some work. My point is that it's stupid to unsub because ONE feature is "broken". For me, a broken feature is when I cant do something at all that was previously possible. For example if it would have been impossible in inferno to take stuff from a container because of the new inventory, it would have been broken. Now it's only require a few more clicks. Is it a bad thing? Yes. Is it the end of the world and a reason to unsubscribe? No. The game is more than putting stuff in containers.

The problem is over exaggerated. Like someone mentioned above, the forum is ruled by nerds claiming too much attention for their actual number.

Average member is satisfied with the new inventory from what I've seen

There was a time when EvE players were mostly computer literate because they had to be. Back then this inventory change wouldn't have bothered many people because they would be smart enough to adapt to it. I see all sorts of people going "ZOMG can't find my drone bay!"(Hint: Click the triangle to expand, this is NOT A NEW CONCEPT) and "WTF why doesn't it remember multiple window locations!?"(Hint: Because one window works as all of them). I haven't had to have 2 windows open yet and I trade, I mine, I PvP and I own a ton of ships. Another observation I have is that people who hide the tree view then complain are idiots.

You guys need to grow up and learn how to use a computer because CCP isn't doing anything new here and if you use it properly it's much more efficient then the old cluster eff of an interface. If you can't use it properly it's not their fault that you lack the mental capacity to use a very common interface style.

+1

Sure you can't dock in hostile systems but the hostiles can't dock in your system.
I think it's good overall.

+1

I am not having any issues with the new inventory system. Yes I do run a corp and mining ops on other toons. I think the newer system is great compared to what we use to have. Sure it needs a few tweaks here and there, but this is definitely a step in the right direction and I am so glad that CCP is trying to make their UI more user friendly. The UI has always been a thorn in many players eyes - go back and look at the history of post about EVE's UI. It is an ugly past. Now that CCP has started to do something about it, people get all - why are you changing it? Because it needs it! It needs it badly!

I liked the Inferno patch. The missiles. New ships. New Merc Market. New Killmails. New mods.

I've said it before...

thank you CCP for continuing to produce one of the best games on the market and never stop making it better or taking chances. The game is better for it and I as a player appreciate your efforts. ♥

You mean the example that is not complaining for nothing but who is instead making a comprehensive list of the things he doesn't like and why he doesn't like them (including references to the more in-depth reasons)? Yeah, you're gong to need to find a better example of your definition of “idiot” than that…

So you're saying that if he sees something wrong with a feature, he should just shut up just because it doesn't affect him personally? That's horribly egotistical of you, I must say. A bad feature is a bad feature even if it affects someone else. Oh, and you should probably read it again because, no, he does not complain about every aspect.

The problem is that you come across as having the opinion that only those who like the changes will be counted as open-minded… again, your example rather illustrates this: you call him an idiot because he doesn't like everything.

There are plenty of people who have provided very nice points of view on the inferno changes, but who's points of view have been almost entirely negative. That's because being positive or negative has fuckall to do with the pov being nice or open-minded.

You

High Bridge

U following?

Have to agree with OP. I watched the absolute meltdown on the Forums yesterday while at work and was absolutely dreading logging on when I got home last night. I have to say I was surprised when I logged on and it took me about 5 minutes to get a good firm grasp on the inventory system. Played for about 4 hours and only had one or two WTF issues, mostly related to cans in space (P.S. Once you're out of range to access a cannister, it really should disappear from the inventory tree, IMO).

Personally, I really like the new setup and the filters are awesome (saves me from having to buy Station Containers for my hangar).