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Sloppyslug
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-10-03 21:03:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Sloppyslug
Good evening chaps! I would like to propose a big idea for eve, for it to have a fresh slate.

I was thinking the other day as people were complaining and such and thought what if CCP started a non-game breaking change; how about if eve were to add a new server.
Now some of you are thinking “wo wo wo! I don’t want to lose my character, years of training and my giant collections of exotic dancers!” I am not proposing getting rid of tranquillity, I’m proposing starting a new different server and keep the both running, people paying for an eve account will be allowed to log onto both, and keep an account for both while paying.
This would allow people to reset the balance, for everyone to start at the same point again. Mechanics in training skills from learning skills to without, have altered throughout eve, that unbalance can be refreshed from scratch.


  • It will make older players reactivate their accounts to try again, it will let new players have a chance to be on par again, and when noobs start the game they will find themselves more balanced to stay.

  • The entire structure of the market will be changed, T2 BPO’s will need to be founded again (better never to be released, just kept as BPC's), as the mechanics for T2 BPOs from a couple years back to now have changed so dramatically, unbalances in the market and such have progressed. A stronger stance can be taken on macro mining. The isk and market unbalanced can be changed. This will give new players the incentive to stay, make their mining, plexing, couriers, whatever to be more lucrative.

  • SOV will need to be retaken, new alliances will need to be formed, and the old will have a chance to participate again in SOV wars/race.

  • I am not sure at what milestone/time this should be implemented, maybe on the release of a big new patch, or allow ccp to change a specific mechanic from the start, some of the brilliant ideas on the forums could be considered to finally be implemented.


Think of this as a new start/slate, not a new game. So the game isn’t seen as crooked age flawed by patches, but as a fresh start with how it is intended to be. I am very interested to see how it all turns out.

Any input would be appreciated. Pirate
Cormeas Bane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-10-03 21:14:32 UTC
This is a wonderful idea, I support it in it's entirety. I hope CCP implements this as soon as possible, because I mean hell. Who wouldn't want to be on a even playing field?
COMM4NDER
Legendary Umbrellas
#3 - 2011-10-03 21:32:40 UTC
Quick answer no

Why? this will split the playerbase, lowsec/null will become even more of a desert, will create more issues on the server side to deal with the splitting etc, etc. Want to play on another server, join the Chinese one.

One of the selling points and main points. ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something?

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Sloppyslug
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-10-03 21:39:18 UTC
COMM4NDER wrote:
Quick answer no

Why? this will split the playerbase, lowsec/null will become even more of a desert, will create more issues on the server side to deal with the splitting etc, etc. Want to play on another server, join the Chinese one.

One of the selling points and main points. ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something?


Don't neglect to see why growth of eve has been in steady state and decline, which makes your use of "selling point" redundant.

Growth does not form deserts.

"ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something?" Yes the test server and chinese server both undermine this.
Cormeas Bane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-10-03 21:40:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Cormeas Bane
COMM4NDER wrote:
Quick answer no

Why? this will split the playerbase, lowsec/null will become even more of a desert, will create more issues on the server side to deal with the splitting etc, etc. Want to play on another server, join the Chinese one.

One of the selling points and main points. ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something?



^ lulz

Go back to Alabama and get your GED. Then maybe after 30 years of advanced special ed teaching techniques, you can give a responce that is forward thinking and not dealing with the fact that you don't like being on an even playing field because your tiny boy nuts haven't dropped and the idea of you being on an even playing field and having to nut up and fight with skill, and experience is scary for you :)
COMM4NDER
Legendary Umbrellas
#6 - 2011-10-03 21:51:23 UTC
Cormeas Bane wrote:
COMM4NDER wrote:
Quick answer no

Why? this will split the playerbase, lowsec/null will become even more of a desert, will create more issues on the server side to deal with the splitting etc, etc. Want to play on another server, join the Chinese one.

One of the selling points and main points. ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something?



^ lulz

Go back to Alabama and get your GED. Then maybe after 30 years of advanced special ed teaching techniques, you can give a responce that is forward thinking and not dealing with the fact that you don't like being on an even playing field because your tiny boy nuts haven't dropped and the idea of you being on an even playing field and having to nut up and fight with skill, and experience is scary for you :)


butthurt much?

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#7 - 2011-10-03 21:57:48 UTC
it wouldnt change much, older players would stomp any hope of the new players to get anywhere. Before you know it you have allainces spiling over from one universe to the other.

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Cormeas Bane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-10-03 22:20:28 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
it wouldnt change much, older players would stomp any hope of the new players to get anywhere. Before you know it you have allainces spiling over from one universe to the other.



Yes but they wouldn't have the enormous skillpoint advantage over everyone else, and they wouldn't be able to hotdrop 20 nyxs on you.
Sloppyslug
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-10-03 22:25:21 UTC
Shocked

Please read the entirety of the post before you reply directly to one point without thinking the affect of all of the other gaining factors.

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#10 - 2011-10-03 22:27:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Cormeas Bane wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
it wouldnt change much, older players would stomp any hope of the new players to get anywhere. Before you know it you have allainces spiling over from one universe to the other.



Yes but they wouldn't have the enormous skillpoint advantage over everyone else, and they wouldn't be able to hotdrop 20 nyxs on you.



And thats going to matter in 6 months?

Well let me interate.

How long does it take goonswamr to replace their entire fleet? and membership from scratch.

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Sloppyslug
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-10-03 22:30:21 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Cormeas Bane wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
it wouldnt change much, older players would stomp any hope of the new players to get anywhere. Before you know it you have allainces spiling over from one universe to the other.



Yes but they wouldn't have the enormous skillpoint advantage over everyone else, and they wouldn't be able to hotdrop 20 nyxs on you.



And thats going to matter in 6 months?

Well let me interate.

How long does it take goonswamr to replace their entire fleet? and membership from scratch.


No alliance could focus full power on both servers, think please.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#12 - 2011-10-03 22:34:30 UTC
Im not talking about a real allaince btw.

Its called the goonswarm effect.

Throw enough players at it and if ithey OP the idea its a bad idea.

A hypothetical allaince or gamer clan from another gaming community moves in, they're all hardcore and they number in the multiple thosands. How long would it take to make a battleforce similar to what is being thrown around on the current server. Answer is less than 7 months.

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Sloppyslug
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-10-03 22:47:19 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Im not talking about a real allaince btw.

Its called the goonswarm effect.

Throw enough players at it and if ithey OP the idea its a bad idea.

A hypothetical allaince or gamer clan from another gaming community moves in, they're all hardcore and they number in the multiple thosands. How long would it take to make a battleforce similar to what is being thrown around on the current server. Answer is less than 7 months.


isnt that a good thing lol? That is what we want, more numbers, a new dynamic of isk to change the final tides, markets etc. No matter how big you are you will be taken down.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#14 - 2011-10-03 22:57:10 UTC
Then that leaves us the question what makes it different from current servers.

Any vet will tell you SP advantage only goes so far.

As a person who did some SP capping calculations its pertty much true.

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Sloppyslug
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-10-03 23:00:10 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Then that leaves us the question what makes it different from current servers.

Any vet will tell you SP advantage only goes so far.

As a person who did some SP capping calculations its pertty much true.


Please read the entirety of the post before you reply directly to one point without thinking the affect of all of the other gaining factors.

Im talking about the dynamics of patch changes throughout eve too, the market unbalances, eve will change massivly without macro mining fleets or BPO horder since 06.

The only reason eve doesnt ban all the macro mining fleets now is because they would lose a massive member count, and quite a few alliances would suffer.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#16 - 2011-10-03 23:34:58 UTC
you apperantly dont read before posting either concerning how ccp goes about banning bots.

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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-10-03 23:59:12 UTC
terrible idea is terrible
first off, eve numbers are down cause of incarnage which pissed half the population off to the point of pressing the cancel button
next, what you want is everyone to be a noobie, which don't get me wrong, would be kinda fun but it would kill the eve credibility as an mmo.

most players who worked hard for what they have in game would quit
newbies would be put off, in 5 years would they be deleted and have to restart?
COMM4NDER
Legendary Umbrellas
#18 - 2011-10-04 00:12:51 UTC  |  Edited by: COMM4NDER
Herping yourDerp wrote:
terrible idea is terrible
first off, eve numbers are down cause of incarnage which pissed half the population off to the point of pressing the cancel button
next, what you want is everyone to be a noobie, which don't get me wrong, would be kinda fun but it would kill the eve credibility as an mmo.

most players who worked hard for what they have in game would quit
newbies would be put off, in 5 years would they be deleted and have to restart?


He wants to add a 4th Server to the mix.

Also I don't see this as a longterm thing, eventually it would be the same thing as in TC atm. This is why (WOW) uses training cap so that newb players will not have to far to train up. Also that they got over 9000 servers.

All MMOs lost their players because of the summer however CCP lost probably more because neglecting the community far to long. Incarna did not add ANYTHING in terms of gameplay. If you look at the player count it always peaks at expansions then drops slowly. Guessing that this expansion did not go as well. I know allot of players that would quit eve long time ago if the Sansha Incursion would not exist.

What they need to do is fix bugs, balance things, add new stuff (ships) both for veteran players and for new guys.

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Vanessa Vansen
Vandeo
#19 - 2011-10-04 06:04:48 UTC
Why introduce a new server?
If you really want a fresh start, CCP would only have to do the following for each character

0) dock in a station
1) eject from ship
2) remove implants and place them in the hangar
3) remove all skills and grant the corresponding number of skill points

Then everybody can start again from scratch
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2011-10-04 06:34:28 UTC
Sloppyslug wrote:
COMM4NDER wrote:
Quick answer no

Why? this will split the playerbase, lowsec/null will become even more of a desert, will create more issues on the server side to deal with the splitting etc, etc. Want to play on another server, join the Chinese one.

One of the selling points and main points. ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something?


Don't neglect to see why growth of eve has been in steady state and decline, which makes your use of "selling point" redundant.

Growth does not form deserts.

"ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something?" Yes the test server and chinese server both undermine this.

The idea that eve is not an even playing ground is a fallacy. You can achieve anything that anyone else has achieved. You just need to spend as much time and effort as them. That you would ask for a new server tells me that even if you got it, you'd be as irrelevant on the new one as you do on the old.

However, its not going to happen for two reasons:

1. Eves biggest tagline is one persistent world, and its biggest asset is its unified community. Stating that the reason eves playerbase is declining is because its a single world is drawing a very long bow. You have no proof to back that assertion up.

Which brings us to my favorite latin phrase:

quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur

"what is asserted without reason may be denied without reason"

If you give me no proof when you say its the single shard thats lowering subscriptions, I need no proof to tell you you are wrong.

It could possibly be the lack of bugfixes and improvements and complete stagnation for two years, or anything Roll

Secondly, setting up a second server would cost a lot of money, something CCP is allegedly short on right now.

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