Intergalactic Summit

It could be your own tactics need work. So far the Republic have repelled two incursions in their space in three days. The Amarr have lost one system an only now are on the verge of taking back another.

Maybe a conference is in order, if it helps

N'maro Makari

As a commander of small battle group of M.S.C. pod pilots i will confirm your observations as correct.

Sansha did some changes in tactics mainly in numbers of warships present per strike group as well as more various fleet compositions.

I will add that they seems to be under order(or will one may argue) that retreat is not an option,they will not warp away in case of obvious defeat like before.

This alone is troubling enough without convenient / inconvenient action of CONCORD to revise defense payouts to pod pilots engaged in fight at about same time as Sansha begin with deployment of new tactics.

As result of above mentioned major amount of pod pilots that was in solely for financial gain backed out and less able groups of pod pilots got slaughtered by fighting new sansha forces.

Defense forces that wore operational broke down over night so it seems and rest of us still engaged are undergoing major reforms in tactics/fleet and ship compositions/funding and or man power needed to continue this war.It is decided that our forces are to thin to cover all incursion points and that remaining battle groups focus their efforts on same incursion.

CONCORD is revising it decision to cut on defense payouts as well it remain to be seen or heard from them on the matter yet. M.S.C. consider CONCORD decision negative one.It is far better to have pod pilots that are fighting sansha to fund their private wars in the middle of nowhere then letting sansha loose or trying to find ally in people that will seat it out mining rock next door or mass killing low end pirate thief's for Friday paycheck from agents.

Hope i shred some light on current situation.

Regards M.S.

So certain that greed is a capsuleer flaw and yet unable to see that overconfidence is yours.

Without the greedy, you apparently don't have the numbers to fight us. Tell me again who is in the moral wrong?

Actually, I think that it is morally right to rescue people who have asked us to show up, but I have been through this argument before.

I also happen to think that vengeance is a fine motivator, and that Nation has been quite restrained in its attacks, especially since all of the Incursions have been focused against military and capsuleer targets. Consider YC37, Malcom, when the CONCORD signatories came into Sansha Space and declared a pogrom on us. I have heard certain anti-Sansha elements use the term 'Euthenasia, not Genocide'.

We believe it to have been a genocide. We survived, because our wills are stronger than yours. We don't even seek to wipe you out, just secure our own safety. I would say, on the whole, we are being downright friendly, in relative terms.

Uh-huh, I've not heard the argument yet but to be quite honest, I doubt you could convince me of its truth.



Vengeance is a fine motivator, but not a moral one. You and I both know the targets of those incursions have not been entirely military and capsuleer targets, unless you're completely disregarding the planetary incursions and uplifting of populations. If you're going to argue that they asked you to come, then I'll demand proof of that claim from some source other than a Nation source and I'll also demand proof that only those willing to go to Nation were taken, that none were harmed in the process and that none were taken against their will.



You mean when Nation's true experiments were shown, widely held as morally reprehensible to the degree that the major empires set aside their differences (a feat by itself) in order to unite against them? You mean when Kuvakei refused to cease his inhumane experimentation and instead fortified his defenses in preparation for war?



It was a united response to what was (and still is) considered morally disgusting by the greater majority of persons in New Eden. You survived precisely because we didn't hunt you into extinction, that would have been genocide.



Give me a moment, I'm going to need a strong drink to wash this down with. You have a strange definition of "securing our own safety" and "friendly."

There is no non-nation source. Our word against theirs, frankly, at this point, because the entire reason the people called to Nation was to join Nation. Nation certaintly isn't going to say "No, we need you to stay out of the Unity because we need an unbiased source to verify our claims". Frankly, we don't care that much about what you think of us, the attempted genocide on us has made that perfectly clear.

If it was not a genocide, Malcom, then why did the Empires leave behind forces to wipe out any Sansha loyal communes that rose? Why were we forced to hide away and skulk and plan for how we could snatch our way of life from the jaws of defeat? It was only less than a decade ago that we managed to gain enough power to actually come out into the light. Once we did, people in your empires who were suspected of having any sympathies to us were beaten and sometimes murdered, and this was prior to any aggressive action on our part.

We are perfectly happy to coexist in a universe with you, Malcom, but as long as its made clear that you are a danger to us, we will seek an overwhelming advantage in firepower to safeguard our existance and our homes. I suspect that you would do the same.

Instead, put aside your hate, make it clear that you are no longer a threat to us, and take away any reason we have to be fighting you. We are reasonable people; Reason is one of our highest virtues, after all. Give us our space to develop in a manner we see fit, and show us that you on the outside are not all murderous psychopaths.

Entire planets ? Have you ever considered applying to Gutter Press ?



I might suggest that you examine again an actual incursion.



Sansha gave up on reason as soon as he decided to announce to the whole universe that he and his Nation were still alive (and not just remnants coming from Stain), and started to raid New Eden.

"Greed was the only motivator keeping your systems secure"

-You are a liar that much is obvious and second trying to play on moral dilemma on pod pilot is laughable especially coming from Sansha puppet.

"But as my colleague Gen Kumon stated, you cannot hope to match Nation's determination, will and drive."

-We can and we are so far and are continuing to do so.

"Perhaps you should acknowledge defeat?"

-I will as soon and if such act happens...you seems to confuse lack of current man power with fleet efficiency,group under which M.S.C. operate is increasingly more efficient in eliminating Sansha forces.

But that alone granted will not budge this war anywhere what happens from now remain to be seen but i will certainly not spreed false propaganda claiming fallacy like some pilots.

I think we are operating through a language barrier, however I will attempt to respond to your posts fairly. Please let me know if I have misunderstood something.

1) I am not a liar, and it is entirely fair to play the morals card with capsuleers. Perhaps you have not noticed, but this entire forum is filled with capsuleers whom I think any right-thinking person could quite honestly say they believe the world would be better without. The murders, the psychopaths. In one recent example, a rapist who not only did his crime, but felt proud of it and felt it put him above others. What we do, Captain Sebiestar, is we remove these elements from the pilot, without removing the pilot. When someone's moral compass is broken, as my Overseer recently put it to me, we fix it.

Greed was the only reason the vast majority of capsuleers did anything about incursions. If you took away the award priciple, they would not have resisted us. CONCORD knows this, because as much as I dislike CONCORD in its current iteration, it is not filled with idiots. They knew that to motivate capsuleers to fight Nation, they would have to offer rewards that are equal to or greater than whatever that particular capsuleer could make doing something else. Simple greed was the motivating factor of your defense fleets, and now that that reward structure has been taken down -just a tiny bit-, many capsuleers are seeking their isk elsewhere. This was commented on in the thread earlier.

2) CONCORD cannot pay infinite amounts of money forever. Eventually, the value of ISK will become so devalued that it will no longer serve to motivate capsuleers to hunt us. This will leave only those capsuleers who make their home in a particular area under the effect of an incursion, rather than the roaming hunters you see today. Of these remainder, some capsuleers will seek to fight us off, but as we have proven that once our goals for an area are complete, we withdraw, others will choose simply to wait it out, allowing us to complete our objectives in relative peace. You can see this behavior in low- and null-sec systems, where the risks outweigh the rewards, and population numbers tend to be lower. When ISK is your motivating factor, your will becomes subject to the rules that govern your economies.

Nation, on the other hand, has every single member absolutely and completely dedicated to the achievement of its aims. The memories of the destruction of the Master's first dream are fresh in our heads. I wasn't even there, but thanks to the fact that some of my crew were, and our pervasive and persistant mind-link, I am subject to their nightmares and their memories. Have you ever wondered why the Nation ships are named as they are? Any society names their combat ships after those things they find most fearful. Now you know. Nation will not rest until the dream is secure, and we no longer risk the nightmare. The master has promised to vanquish our fears.

3) It doesn't matter how efficient you are at eliminating Sansha forces if a simple change of tactics can throw all your carefully crafted strategies away in an instant. Your opponent is one of the smartest men to have ever flown in New Eden, and he is backed up by the minds of some of the clusters greatest tacticians, scientists, philosophers and scientists, and pushed forward with an unflagging will and monolithic determination.

So inconclusion; Your ships are starting to fall. Your defenders are starting to flag. Your opponents have shown no sign of tiring or of stopping, and just now are changing their tactics after letting you batter yourselves to death against them. It is time for you, the people of the CONCORD signatories, to start thinking about how you are going to grasp peace from the hands of defeat. I will tell you right now, that unless you guarantee our safety and our right to dream our dream, you will not find that peace.