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Faction Warfare is nothing but chum for Low Sec Pirate corps.
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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-05-23 05:13:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Desimus Maximus
Faction Warfare is total bullshit. It is clear that it is nothing more than baiting players into lowsec with inferior ships.

For one, why the hell is a WOLF not considered a frigate? The warpgate denied me access when it clearly stated that FRIGATES were allowed. The Help Channel claimed that it's not a frigate and it was an assault ship? REally? Last I checked it was a T2 Frigate. This forces players into weakass T1 trash.

Because of being forced into T1 crap, you are easy, undergeared chum for the pirates who roam lowsec.

If you are going to limit warpgates to SIZE of ships (which itself is just a stupid idea that will keep players away from FW because who the hell is going to fly 5-10 jumps every 5 minutes to refit a ship? I'm not.) then at least allow the T2 variant through the gate.

Second, who the hell is going to go in and out of lowsec constantly in T1 crap knowing full well that there is a good chance that there are pirate faction, T2 fit ships of the largest order on the other side of that gate?? I won't.

This already needs to be addressed. I'm sick of CCP forcing players into being food for pirates and pvpers. If I can fly a ship that fits my skills so be it, but to be forced into a low-end pile of ****, that is just ridiculous.
Ms Bax
Union Of EVE
#2 - 2012-05-23 05:16:16 UTC
wow.
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#3 - 2012-05-23 05:40:44 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
For one, why the hell is a WOLF not considered a frigate?


Probably because the WOLF is an assault ship, like the JAGUAR or ISHKUR, not like the TEMPLAR, a fighter used by AMARR CARRIERS

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#4 - 2012-05-23 06:11:42 UTC
Then what will I do with my pile of rifters if pirate corps don't fly T1 ships? You broke my Eve OP.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#5 - 2012-05-23 06:26:10 UTC
Interesting. Baiting people for the pirates in lowsec huh...

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ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-05-23 06:28:28 UTC
wow OP has not realised CCP are spiking ship prices and we will all be in t1 soon.
Aerich e'Kieron
Peace.Keepers
Federation Front Line
#7 - 2012-05-23 06:31:01 UTC
FW should be able to bring T2 ships to these places !!

Fix please.....
Pres Crendraven
#8 - 2012-05-23 06:45:13 UTC
Its an OTEC nerf

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Chase The Dragon
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-05-23 06:45:26 UTC
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Desimus Maximus wrote:
For one, why the hell is a WOLF not considered a frigate?


Probably because the WOLF is an assault ship, like the JAGUAR or ISHKUR, not like the TEMPLAR, a fighter used by AMARR CARRIERS


It's an Amarr drone useable by all carriers and super carriers, not specifically Amarr ones.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2012-05-23 06:49:43 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Oh dear... where to start...

(and yes, I know this could very well be a troll... but, unless properly countered, actual new-ish players may believe the OP's crap)

Desimus Maximus wrote:
For one, why the hell is a WOLF not considered a frigate? The warpgate denied me access when it clearly stated that FRIGATES were allowed. The Help Channel claimed that it's not a frigate and it was an assault ship? REally? Last I checked it was a T2 Frigate.

Splitting hairs here aren't we?

Desimus Maximus wrote:
If you are going to limit warpgates to SIZE of ships (which itself is just a stupid idea that will keep players away from FW because who the hell is going to fly 5-10 jumps every 5 minutes to refit a ship? I'm not.) then at least allow the T2 variant through the gate.

Okay... two things...

1. I may strongly dislike "instancing"... but class-limited plexes do serve their purpose: it brings vets down the the level of younger players who may be limited to only to T1 ships... which in turn gives newer players a chance to fight back on more even ground.

2. If you are at all serious about Faction Warfare, you keep you ships in low-sec in an easy to access station (which is going to be quite difficult now thanks to the station lockout mechanisms Evil).

Desimus Maximus wrote:
Second, who the hell is going to go in and out of lowsec constantly in T1 crap knowing full well that there is a good chance that there are pirate faction, T2 fit ships of the largest order on the other side of that gate??

Good news... you won't be seeing any T2 ships on the other side of that acceleration gate... because no T2 ship can go through. If you are limited to T1 ships... so are your enemies.

Also... getting into "occupied" plexes is a bit of a "fine art" (ex. bum rush with what you have, go in with lots of ewar, and/or lots of numbers).

Desimus Maximus wrote:
If I can fly a ship that fits my skills so be it, but to be forced into a low-end pile of ****, that is just ridiculous.

Pro-tip: T1 ships are not "low-end trash." In fact... my rather large assortment of Catalysts, Thrashers, and Vexors are offended by that statement.
T2 ships only offer a specialty and "edge" over T1 ships (like, a 20% edge at most). That's it. It is perfectly within the realm of possibility for a Rifter to kill an Enyo, or a gank-fit Coercer to kill an Ishkur... it's even possible for a Vigil to kill a Thrasher (that one was embarrassing).

How did you Veterans start?
Mark Androcius
#11 - 2012-05-23 06:54:58 UTC
So.... the OP prefers to go into low in an expensive ship then? in stead of a ship the "low sec pirates" will usually ignore anyway?

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Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#12 - 2012-05-23 07:06:20 UTC
Chase The Dragon wrote:
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Desimus Maximus wrote:
For one, why the hell is a WOLF not considered a frigate?


Probably because the WOLF is an assault ship, like the JAGUAR or ISHKUR, not like the TEMPLAR, a fighter used by AMARR CARRIERS


It's an Amarr drone useable by all carriers and super carriers, not specifically Amarr ones.

........lolmygod

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Kingston Black
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-05-23 07:23:11 UTC
Shocked

holy mother of god FW is gonna bring more t1 frigates for me to kill!

owai... its only an fing frigate why the hell would i want to shoot it get over yourself or bring me a carebear golem to shoot
Rond Dorlezahn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-05-23 07:39:30 UTC
I would be very interested in seeing what your WOLF can do against a WINCURSUS. Big smile
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#15 - 2012-05-23 07:46:18 UTC  |  Edited by: destiny2
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Faction Warfare is total bullshit. It is clear that it is nothing more than baiting players into lowsec with inferior ships.

For one, why the hell is a WOLF not considered a frigate? The warpgate denied me access when it clearly stated that FRIGATES were allowed. The Help Channel claimed that it's not a frigate and it was an assault ship? REally? Last I checked it was a T2 Frigate. This forces players into weakass T1 trash.

Because of being forced into T1 crap, you are easy, undergeared chum for the pirates who roam lowsec.

If you are going to limit warpgates to SIZE of ships (which itself is just a stupid idea that will keep players away from FW because who the hell is going to fly 5-10 jumps every 5 minutes to refit a ship? I'm not.) then at least allow the T2 variant through the gate.

Second, who the hell is going to go in and out of lowsec constantly in T1 crap knowing full well that there is a good chance that there are pirate faction, T2 fit ships of the largest order on the other side of that gate?? I won't.

This already needs to be addressed. I'm sick of CCP forcing players into being food for pirates and pvpers. If I can fly a ship that fits my skills so be it, but to be forced into a low-end pile of ****, that is just ridiculous.


after reading everything your complaining about. where does it say in Faction warfare that ccp is forceing you into low space to get ganked? not to mention looseing a t1 ship isnt that big of a loss. unless you fit complex or faction items on your t1 frigs o.o

its game mechanics. wouldt matter if your in a wolf or a t1 frig difference being the price of each ship and their fits.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#16 - 2012-05-24 23:54:57 UTC
Confirming FW is forcing my frigate-centric corp to fly frigates and constantly die to lowsec pirates because we fly T1 trash.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#17 - 2012-05-25 00:02:30 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Faction Warfare is total bullshit. It is clear that it is nothing more than baiting players into lowsec with inferior ships.

For one, why the hell is a WOLF not considered a frigate? The warpgate denied me access when it clearly stated that FRIGATES were allowed. The Help Channel claimed that it's not a frigate and it was an assault ship? REally? Last I checked it was a T2 Frigate. This forces players into weakass T1 trash.

Because of being forced into T1 crap, you are easy, undergeared chum for the pirates who roam lowsec.

If you are going to limit warpgates to SIZE of ships (which itself is just a stupid idea that will keep players away from FW because who the hell is going to fly 5-10 jumps every 5 minutes to refit a ship? I'm not.) then at least allow the T2 variant through the gate.

Second, who the hell is going to go in and out of lowsec constantly in T1 crap knowing full well that there is a good chance that there are pirate faction, T2 fit ships of the largest order on the other side of that gate?? I won't.

This already needs to be addressed. I'm sick of CCP forcing players into being food for pirates and pvpers. If I can fly a ship that fits my skills so be it, but to be forced into a low-end pile of ****, that is just ridiculous.


You have amazing logic skills. Did you study greek philosophy?

The Tears Must Flow
Shian Yang
#18 - 2012-05-25 00:03:03 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Faction Warfare is total bullshit. It is clear that it is nothing more than baiting players into lowsec with inferior ships.

For one, why the hell is a WOLF not considered a frigate? The warpgate denied me access when it clearly stated that FRIGATES were allowed. The Help Channel claimed that it's not a frigate and it was an assault ship? REally? Last I checked it was a T2 Frigate. This forces players into weakass T1 trash.

Because of being forced into T1 crap, you are easy, undergeared chum for the pirates who roam lowsec.

... snip ....

Second, who the hell is going to go in and out of lowsec constantly in T1 crap knowing full well that there is a good chance that there are pirate faction, T2 fit ships of the largest order on the other side of that gate?? I won't.


Greetings capsuleer,

As a pilot for the Tribal Liberation Force I feel the need to call your bullshit into question. You need to understand the differences between Minor, Major, etc. Compounds, Installations and so forth. Minor Installations do not allow for anything but T1 Frigates, Destroyers and Industrials. You are more than welcome to enter any other installation with a Wolf.

That said; your ship choice is interesting - most pilots I know will choose differently to you - depending on what they are doing. Thus far my excursions in a Rifter have been my most successful. You do however need to fly in fleets, use your starmap and .. oh sod it. You need to learn how to survive in Factional Warfare.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#19 - 2012-05-25 00:09:42 UTC
OP is mad because his Wolf got killed by Drakes, probably because he couldn't enter a minor plex to hide in.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)