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Missile trails kill my framerate and what is that sound???

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Orlacc
#41 - 2012-05-22 23:23:23 UTC
FPS is fine, but sound does cut in and out during missile launch., Was okay on Sisi.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#42 - 2012-05-22 23:27:39 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
Lfod Shi wrote:
Thanks! Glad I posted.

I can live with the sounds. :)

You're just happy you were noticed! Don't get soft, son!!


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COMM4NDER
Legendary Umbrellas
#43 - 2012-05-22 23:31:17 UTC  |  Edited by: COMM4NDER
Doc Severide wrote:
I thought I'd be different and made the mistake of buying 2 ATI 5770's in Feb 2011. Everytrhing was fine until Cruicible came out and then I had nothing but problems. I finally chucked them last week and bought 2 560Ti's and besides having much faster cards, ALL my problems have disappeared.
Now I have a 2700K with 2 580's, a 2600K with 2 570's, an I7 920 with 2 560Ti's, an Asus G73 Laptop with Nvidia Graphics and all is beautiful....ATI/AMD = Krap...


I agree that AMD is crap on Linux but on windows its working like a smooth baby with their autoupdater no issues on my end running 5970 and 6970

About the 150fps to 60 fps jump you will feel the quirk when it does loose that much. Also some have 120hz monitors so....

I do feel slowdowns of the missile mostly when I zoom into ships with the explosions. Also torps should have a bigger explosion, kinda miss the rings they did ;(

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CCP Zorba
C C P
C C P Alliance
#44 - 2012-05-22 23:39:38 UTC
To those experiencing performance issues: There are known issues with some cards, especially ATI cards. So telling us your card will help us know what people are suffering.

That said, we're doing cutting edge stuff, so do update your drivers and DX version before posting, if you can. For example, our missile trails are using GPU Particles, which you may recognize as a 'killer feature' of the Unreal 4 Engine. That's right, you have it in EVE first ;)

On a related note, the missile system and content is in a place now where we can start making meaningful optimizations and changes. Right now new missiles, in aggregate, perform as well as the old missiles (framerate/ms and memory at max/recommended specs at max/min zoom distances). Our goal will be to make them far better, so no more 4 fps when zoomed in, no more 'turn it off' as a solution to all new graphics features in fleet fights, get the ability to throttle the system and go to lower details based on what's happening and machine specs, be able to make mass changes with minimal impact if we get better ideas (like if we were to decide to represent damage type of in-flight missiles).

CCP Zorba | EVE Online Technical Director | @techartistsorg

Maximille Biagge
Hydra Eternal
#45 - 2012-05-22 23:40:06 UTC
No problems here with my GTX560Ti Was frapsing earlier at a very lovely 60fps like usual with bombs and missiles going off everywhere :D

btw: the new bomb effects are literally "the bomb"!

can't decide weather electorn or scorch is my favourite though...
Styx Cyc
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-05-22 23:52:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Styx Cyc
Gaming on a laptop...almost as bad as consoles. P

Also, reading about ATI cards having issues(again) makes me glad I decided to switch to Nvidia for my new rig.
CannonFodder82
Dark EcheIon
#47 - 2012-05-22 23:52:57 UTC
Maybe CCP should stop kissing nvidia ass??

i dont suffr from any loss with my dual 6850 but i do still have other graphical glitches like flashing station etc (with 1 or 2 cards on)

everything is up to date. dont get issues with other games just this one.

eve has allways been crappy towards AMD cards.

As for the missiles breaking everything WELL DONE chalk that up there with the new UI and its win all round,

P.S torps look like fireworks and the explosions suck compared to the old ones.

Another backwards step in EVE, have u guys been talking with DICE and EA??

sure?
CCP Zorba
C C P
C C P Alliance
#48 - 2012-05-23 00:08:21 UTC
CannonFodder82 wrote:
Maybe CCP should stop kissing nvidia ass??

i dont suffr from any loss with my dual 6850 but i do still have other graphical glitches like flashing station etc (with 1 or 2 cards on)

everything is up to date. dont get issues with other games just this one.

eve has allways been crappy towards AMD cards.

As for the missiles breaking everything WELL DONE chalk that up there with the new UI and its win all round,

P.S torps look like fireworks and the explosions suck compared to the old ones.

Another backwards step in EVE, have u guys been talking with DICE and EA??

sure?


I'm not going to respond to these points but I will link to this to point out some complexities of this issue: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-76080.html

PC graphics are hard work because of these sorts compatibility issues. Trying to "evolve" an MMO (graphical evolution is not something most games do), which is supposed to run on a range of consumer hardware, with a large and old codebase, while trying to develop cutting edge graphical features, is a delicate balancing act that makes a difficult situation even more difficult. On top of that, we're proud of what we do and want nothing more than as many people to see it as possible. ATI compatibility comes up every release and as our testing systems get better and better we'll catch more of these issues, and put acceptable fallbacks into place. We're not there yet but we're working on it.

As for your flashing stations, make sure you file a bug report for that.

CCP Zorba | EVE Online Technical Director | @techartistsorg

AkaiDruiD II
The Ghost of Creuss
#49 - 2012-05-23 00:16:41 UTC
I do hope ccp isn't tryin to sell out to nvidia and focus their developing towards 'The Popular Corporation'
I use ATI/AMD, and have for many years, they OC better and are more stable than nvidia/intel. I know this from many years of experience. Just because nvidia, intel, and microsoft are trying to monopolize the market, doesn't mean they are better, in fact, in their case, it's very much the contrary. Any1 can sell crap if they advert it everywhere and make it cheap enuf for a noob to buy.
Raze Zindonas
TYR.
Exodus.
#50 - 2012-05-23 00:20:21 UTC
Updated my Nvidia GTX295 to the latest drivers, May 22nd, and my frame rate is MUCH better
AkaiDruiD II
The Ghost of Creuss
#51 - 2012-05-23 00:32:00 UTC  |  Edited by: AkaiDruiD II
1. System specs are irrelevant
- My system didn't change, your software did.

2. So is the 'Rule of Thumb' now to update every driver on my system and go out and buy the latest 'Preferred' hardware, when a update comes out every couple weeks?
- That will become expensive, time-consuming and I'm not going to sell out to nvidia, intel, or microsoft.

3. Why not keep some sense of reality in eVe and at the same time avoid more bugs with lag and framerate. Missles in the cold vacuum of space will NOT have smoke trails, so why waste time and energy on creating this effect in the first place?

As of right now, the game is unplayable, between the lousy new inventory boxes and the lag created by the smoke coming from missles in the void of space. Sure, I could turn off all the effects and stare at a blank screen, but I didn't have to do that YESTERDAY.
Bob Niac
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-05-23 00:40:37 UTC
Please also remember that while processors (and GPUs) hare getting better with heat management, you will most likely see dips in performance due to throttling on laptops. i7 on laptops generate substantial heat, that GPU looks like the non-mobile version (for the OP) as well.


Tip for AMD (Radeon users):

Nvidia and AMD don't play nice with each other. Games tend to be sponsored / supported by one OR the other, not both. This causes issues with testing / coding (explaining this will cause a flame war, so skipping) the competitors' hardware.

There are 3 simple "fixes:"

  • Force GPU settings. In Nvidia control panel and Catalyst; make sure your driver software, not the application use are using / playing handles the settings. "Let the Application Decide" is the first setting I turned off for EVE as an AMD user.
  • CLEAN THAT HEAT SINK! Your GPU is a hot, HOT little bugger. Be very careful, but make sure you have good airflow over and trough your processors's fans.
  • And as mentioned, ipdate your drivers.



PS: ATI is no more .. Its; only AMD now. Also XPS and Alienware laptops are the devil. I get a rediculous amount of them in my shop with thermal damage.

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Franz7657
DreddNaut
#53 - 2012-05-23 00:49:45 UTC
@CCP Zorba

win7/64 (DX11)
3 different ati card
- hd-3850 (from my old computer)
- hd-7750 (from a friend computer)
- hd-7950 (my card)

tested with catalyst 12.3 , 12.4 , 12.4A , and 12.5 beta

all card suffer of the same problem with gpu particle, 50% fps loss for example when i kill a npc in a belt with a caldari boat, and in L4, it's a real pain

changing the graphic details and setting them to the minimum not help, only solution is to desactivate the gpu particle to have descent framerate in mission

i tested on sisi a week ago and all worked fine, no fps drop, and that surprised me! what changed during this time?
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2012-05-23 01:15:55 UTC
Franz7657 wrote:
@CCP Zorba

win7/64 (DX11)
3 different ati card
- hd-3850 (from my old computer)
- hd-7750 (from a friend computer)
- hd-7950 (my card)

tested with catalyst 12.3 , 12.4 , 12.4A , and 12.5 beta

all card suffer of the same problem with gpu particle, 50% fps loss for example when i kill a npc in a belt with a caldari boat, and in L4, it's a real pain

changing the graphic details and setting them to the minimum not help, only solution is to desactivate the gpu particle to have descent framerate in mission

i tested on sisi a week ago and all worked fine, no fps drop, and that surprised me! what changed during this time?


Its really weird, on Sisi on my ATI desktop I didn't have any framerate problems at all, except during the first mass test. BUt my problems there weren't only related to the missiles.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.

SkyLordUK
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2012-05-23 01:21:26 UTC
wow reading these high end specs having quite large drops yet my average spec has had no drop in performance

Win 7 64bit
6GB ram
Radeon HD 5770 1GB
Pentium dual core E5400 2.7Ghz
650w AC supply
Zowie Brennan
Forsaken Enigma
#56 - 2012-05-23 03:51:33 UTC
Zowie Brennan wrote:
I have to agree with the OP

GPU Particals on : 60-80 ( All settings on high )
GPU Paticals off: 150-160 ( All settings on high )

AMD Bulldozer 8 Core 3.1GHZ
ATI Radeon HD 6950 2gb
16 GB DDR3 @ 1600
Win 7 64

Someone earlier mentioned updating drivers, Alas this info is with the most up to date drivers for my systemCry

I notice the drop in any set up, IE preset that CCP has. Weather i'm set for proformence Memory or Quality.
With GPU particals off in performance I get over 200fps, with Gpu on it drops between the high 90's and low 110's this is with missile effects on
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#57 - 2012-05-23 04:00:27 UTC
AkaiDruiD II wrote:
Missles in the cold vacuum of space will NOT have smoke trails, so why waste time and energy on creating this effect in the first place?



This, to me, is an obvious sign of denial. wtf? You release gas and particle emissions in the vacuum of space and you expect matter filling a void to do nothing. Get your head on straight.

Also, you seem to be ignorant of a few things regarding your hardware and everybody elses. AMD is barely interested in mainstream computing and doesn't really have any interest in competing in any real sense with Intel because they know they can't win. Intel holds the patents for fs sake. Intel signs over portions of those patents to AMD with a yearly license so that AMD can continue to make PC processors so the American government and other organizations don't bin Intel as a monopoly.

Intel is not in the business of licensing AMD to use their best and most advanced architecture however, so AMD is forced to trry and find ways around it that usually don't work so well, or are barely adequate. This is why AMD is behind in the GPU business, not some rediculous advertising nobody ever sees.

People on forums all over the world, review sites and hardware enthusiasts match any and all offerinbgs against each other until they find the best that anyone has to offer. This has consistently been Intel for years. You can burn an AMD up to 6-8 GHz sure, no problem, once you've got it functioning on LN2 or Liquid Helium, but that doesn't do **** all for your processing capability, except to make it marginally faster than it was for a 400% OC sustained by a constant flow of -269 celsius coolant that vaporizes relatively quickly.

Fact is, Intel still outperforms it.

AMD focuses on Industrial computing aplications. That is their niche market and has been for years. They make chips for CNC machines and automated equipment. They probably make a good bit of money on it to, even if they don't do so well as Intel on the world market.

ATi is another thing. Owned by AMD sure, but it is still mostly a separate entity and functioning on its own apart from the AMD line of desktop processors. Sure, AMD supports ATi by making all their own chipsets, (through ATi), for their processors and restricting users of AMD to pretty much only ATi GPUs unless they want issues with incompatibility. They've been doing that for a few years now. Not a single AMD chipset supports Nvidia hardware; it's counterproductive.

It's only counterproductive if the only thing you care about selling is the GPU.

ATi is a good brand. Great for watching movies and doing all sorts of other stuff. Nothing wrong with it, but they still lag a bit behind Nvidia in terms of progress.
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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#58 - 2012-05-23 04:02:17 UTC
Zowie Brennan wrote:
Zowie Brennan wrote:
I have to agree with the OP

GPU Particals on : 60-80 ( All settings on high )
GPU Paticals off: 150-160 ( All settings on high )

AMD Bulldozer 8 Core 3.1GHZ
ATI Radeon HD 6950 2gb
16 GB DDR3 @ 1600
Win 7 64

Someone earlier mentioned updating drivers, Alas this info is with the most up to date drivers for my systemCry

I notice the drop in any set up, IE preset that CCP has. Weather i'm set for proformence Memory or Quality.
With GPU particals off in performance I get over 200fps, with Gpu on it drops between the high 90's and low 110's this is with missile effects on


If you're running 60 fps plus I wouldn't worry about it. Chances are it'll be optimized before long anyway, and you're certainly not missing anything. Smile
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AkaiDruiD II
The Ghost of Creuss
#59 - 2012-05-23 04:18:43 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
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;) lol and ur trolling here too? ;P

- Please link the vid of Astronauts roasting marshmellows on the Moon ;)

- That 'smoke' would be FROZEN matter

- Thank GOD there are AMD processors in industrial equipment \o/

- Ur not going to try and sell me a intel chip, r u? ;p
Zowie Brennan
Forsaken Enigma
#60 - 2012-05-23 04:24:43 UTC
Zowie Brennan wrote:
Zowie Brennan wrote:
I have to agree with the OP

GPU Particals on : 60-80 ( All settings on high )
GPU Paticals off: 150-160 ( All settings on high )

AMD Bulldozer 8 Core 3.1GHZ
ATI Radeon HD 6950 2gb
16 GB DDR3 @ 1600
Win 7 64

Someone earlier mentioned updating drivers, Alas this info is with the most up to date drivers for my systemCry

I notice the drop in any set up, IE preset that CCP has. Weather i'm set for proformence Memory or Quality.
With GPU particals off in performance I get over 200fps, with Gpu on it drops between the high 90's and low 110's this is with missile effects on


Forgot to mention I'm running this in 1080i on a 60 inch so any little slow down is VERY noted