Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You know you're absolutly right, if someone cloacks up in highsec and "leaves his PC" (you have actualy no way of knowing that.)

Every one will go on with what they are doing.

You know why because you don't need a cloak to sneak up on people, there is hardly a way to know if someone is up to no good in, highsec or in low sec for that matter.

So the fact that you are able to have more intel on someone than in High or low sec is your Problem??????

tyhat could easly be solved, remove aliance icons, and you have the same intel as highsec, problem solved right :)

[facepalm]

How many times do people need it explaining to them that AFK cloaking isn't a problem, their fear is the problem.

Just to recap:

1) People who are AFK aren't a danger to anyone and so not a problem

2) People who are cloaked up in sytem and not AFK are playing the game and so not a problem

3) People who are afraid of people who aren't blue to them in their system and have absolutely no intention of doing anything about it or covering their arses or getting help from their corp/alliance are a problem

Any alteration to cloaks will affect WH dwellers immensely in order to benefit only those who have no imagination and allow themselves to be controlled by fear.

The solutions to cloakers in your system have been explained in this thread and many many other threads. If those who have a problem with cloakers aren't prepared to do anything about it by utilising one or more of the multitude of possible counters why should the game be changed? Why should people using the cloaking mechanics as they're intended to be used be penalised because a small minority can't defend themselves and cry about it on the forums?

It's a bit like saying mining ships should be made invincible in high sec because otherwise miners can't mine. How many of you would agree to that?

afk players should get timed out from local

I don't understand why people don't grasp the uses for cloaking devices. It's like they can't see past the "cloak for days then cyno a fleet in" play that goes on in nullsec.

I scout targets, set up warp-ins, ambush people, gather intel on POS activities and other such things. All of those require cloaking that is reliable; a cloak failing on-grid with an enemy fleet is a recipe for doom. You might as well remove it from the game.

No game should reward a player for being inactive. So if an inactive enemy player is removed from the list of active players then the "fear" of having that enemy player in the same system as you is diminished.

Also, nothing in null-sec should be done alone. So it should also be natural for corps living in null to provide adequate protection and/or scouting to said miners.

I doubt something like this will completely eradicate static gameplay. (EVE players will be EVE players). But it could get more players out of stations/pos's. Added with some way to hunt non-cov-ops cloaked ships, and EVE null-sec could get very exciting.

In PvP Games "Sniper_Fighting styles" always cause heated debattes on weather they are legit or not.

A lot of eve players are americans, so you might remember the heated debattes in quake about snipers ..... players chose a dark "sniper-corner" for their avatars and stayed hidden (cloaked) for most of the time, until some other player came along.
Well, emotions went that high, that suggestions came up like " Everybody who stands still and doesnt move for longer then an hour has to autoexplode " ..... hilarious
Those events took place in the year of 1997/1998. Its an age-old PvP problem and nobody should hope for a perfect solution.

By the way the CSM touched that problem at 1h.50min town meeting 19.05 on eve radio.
CSM meeting 19.05

.

Not supported.

Imagine a cloaked bomber fleet waiting to drop bombs on an enemy fleet; a legitimate tactic and certainly not AFK. Suddenly player 33 in fleet gets hit by the RNG decloak. Every bomber within 2000m of this one decloaks, and then every bomber with 2000m of those bombers decloaks until, in a beautiful cascade of decloaking, every bomber in the fleet is visible.

Also, every afk cloaker gets the same once per 24 hour decloak that you get. Its called down time.

Yeah. No.

Ah okay. Than I'm sorry. I was confused because of your two replies and i was quoted in one of them

You're kiddin' me, right? I sincerely hope CCP didn't give the client the choice of what the player can see or can't see when it comes to the GUI in wormhole space. If this is true, you are damned right it needs fixing.