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lvl 4 undecided ship
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Olmecu
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-05-22 14:23:32 UTC
Hi!

I would very much appreciate if you could tell me what to choose between:


Raven Navy Issue
and
Scorpion Navy Issue


I did hear that a Tengu would be the most desirable, but I don't have the skills and neither the money for that.

So I have to choose between those two.


Thanks in advance!
Silas Wrex
Zombie Kitten Surprise
#2 - 2012-05-22 14:53:22 UTC
Between the two of those, Raven.
It's a much more capable ship for soloing level 4's.
Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-05-22 15:46:46 UTC
Navy raven is always a good choice.
Olmecu
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-05-22 15:56:52 UTC
Buuut... if i'm really short on money, would the Scorpion work as well?

Like get the Scorp, gather isk then buy Raven... Would that be feasible?
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-05-22 15:59:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
if you are new and have low skills go for the navy scorpion first. it has less damage but better tank, so it is harder to lose. after you get your skills up and get some experience with the missions, you can switch to the navy raven.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Warpshade
Warped Industries
#6 - 2012-05-22 15:59:51 UTC
CNR for efficiency
Scorp for lazyness
Olmecu
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-05-22 16:32:19 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
if you are new and have low skills go for the navy scorpion first. it has less damage but better tank, so it is harder to lose. after you get your skills up and get some experience with the missions, you can switch to the navy raven.


Ok, ty. And the Scorp would be...... active tank, yes?

Got it, still I have the odd feeling that it is (a lot) slower than my standard Raven.... Is this just and impression?!
Olmecu
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-05-22 16:36:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Olmecu
Warpshade wrote:
CNR for efficiency
Scorp for lazyness


Sorry, what do you mean by
Quote:
Scorp for lazyness
?
Leetha Layne
#9 - 2012-05-22 16:51:09 UTC
Let's not draw this out. Raven or CNR are better for missions.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-05-22 16:56:51 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Olmecu wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
if you are new and have low skills go for the navy scorpion first. it has less damage but better tank, so it is harder to lose. after you get your skills up and get some experience with the missions, you can switch to the navy raven.


Ok, ty. And the Scorp would be...... active tank, yes?

Got it, still I have the odd feeling that it is (a lot) slower than my standard Raven.... Is this just and impression?!


That's an impression. Same dps out of same 6 launchers. Unless you fit torp Raven, where the missile velocity bonus wouldn't be wasted. But torp's not really viable for pve Raven anyway, despite the bonus.

Between SNI and CNR, CNR has one more launcher for more dps, SNI has more of everything else (tank, cap, mobility, # slots, slot layout, etc).

CNR:
7 launchers, 6 mids, 5 lows
5% rop bonus, 10% missile velocity bonus per lvl

SNI:
6 launchers, 8 mids, 4 lows
5% rop bonus, 5% resist bonus per lvl

CNR needs to be fit for full gank to be effective. A 7 launcher 3 bcs CNR does the same dps as a 6 launcher 4 bcs SNI, at which point, the SNI will have better cap , better speed, and far better tank. Fit CNR for cap booster and full gank, otherwise, there's no point.
drdxie
#11 - 2012-05-22 17:29:32 UTC
I prefer the SNI. You can fit to get similar dps to the CNR but you also get the extra mids for a TP or 2, which will make applied DPS much better. I run with 3 rigors and 1 TP and an explosion radius implant. This means I can use fury's all the way down to cruisers.

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-05-22 17:47:48 UTC
Get Navy Scorp to save isk. It works wonderfully. Use active shield tank with x-large shield booster.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Warpshade
Warped Industries
#13 - 2012-05-22 19:55:14 UTC
Olmecu wrote:
Warpshade wrote:
CNR for efficiency
Scorp for lazyness


Sorry, what do you mean by
Quote:
Scorp for lazyness
?


Sorry It was abit of a flippant answer, to clarify; given the bonuses, and slot layout of the Scorp, it has a much larger tank, although less DPS than a CNR. The CNR gets the job done fast through its damage. Therefore the Scorp can do missions at a more leisurely pace due to its tank. It can also fit an omni tank, allowing less time swapping hardeners if one choose too, which again went to my point of being "lazy".
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-05-22 21:24:25 UTC
Why waste RL money to make fake internet space ship money that only buys you derision from other dudes that give more respect to a turd lying in the grass? But in your case, they would rather step on you (funny that Blink). Cancel account and go elsewhere that does not have such boring PVE content as EVE where other people at least respect your choices without comming off as the ******* that dropped that turd.
drdxie
#15 - 2012-05-23 01:12:30 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
Why waste RL money to make fake internet space ship money that only buys you derision from other dudes that give more respect to a turd lying in the grass? But in your case, they would rather step on you (funny that Blink). Cancel account and go elsewhere that does not have such boring PVE content as EVE where other people at least respect your choices without comming off as the ******* that dropped that turd.



jeeez.. did mommy take away your pocket money. You should quite as clearly you cannot be constructive... maybe go back to wow..

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#16 - 2012-05-23 02:06:13 UTC
Olmecu wrote:
Got it, still I have the odd feeling that it is (a lot) slower than my standard Raven.... Is this just and impression?!



keep the standard raven till you have the iskies that you can afford the navy raven. navy scorp is at best a bit of a side grade from the raven.

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#17 - 2012-05-23 02:54:58 UTC
I went from Navy Scorp > Navy Raven, it's nice to have the tank bonus to help guide through your first time going through L4s, I know I messed up and needed the extra tank quite a few times as a newbie. When you're comfortable you'll want more dps, then get a CNR and use the classic 3xRigors + Cap Booster + 4xBCUs setup.
Evolution1979
Hull Down Inc.
#18 - 2012-05-23 08:32:36 UTC
If you want a navy scorp, you would probably be better of taking a rattlesnake imo.
But then you would have to train drone skills and gallente bs tho.
But if you wanna be indestructible in your missions and also have a nice damage output, this is what i would aim for.
Olmecu
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-05-23 11:15:00 UTC
Evolution1979 wrote:
If you want a navy scorp, you would probably be better of taking a rattlesnake imo.
But then you would have to train drone skills and gallente bs tho.
But if you wanna be indestructible in your missions and also have a nice damage output, this is what i would aim for.


Well, I don't have the skills and also.... a Rattlesnake is about what? 3 times more expensive than a Scorpion Navy Issue?
Olmecu
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-05-23 11:19:34 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
Why waste RL money to make fake internet space ship money that only buys you derision from other dudes that give more respect to a turd lying in the grass? But in your case, they would rather step on you (funny that Blink). Cancel account and go elsewhere that does not have such boring PVE content as EVE where other people at least respect your choices without comming off as the ******* that dropped that turd.


lol.

first, if one can produce the necessary isk in a month, then plex can be bought => no RL money invested...

second, doing PVE means i don't interact with others ingame, which is perfectly ok for me => no "respect" issues...

so all you said trully has NO logic whatsoever...
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