Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes, the bombers would be visible along one orthogonal plane. However you still could not target and damage them, as normal 3D particles cannot interact with them.

If the enemy brought 50 heavy bombers and sieged a PoS you would only need about 8 T2 destroyers to provide a proper missile phalanx and eventual destruction of the heavy bombers. Also T2 destroyers are (in respect to a heavy bomber) very cheap, where these heavy bombers would have a pricetag of around 25% of a carrier, not including modules and ammo. The T2 dessies would cost about what they do now.

Also there is a 30 second align time penalty (with max skills) after launching a torpedo or using your cloaking device, due to the instability of the surrounding space caused by transforming objects in and out of 3D.

So each time you fire a torp, a significantly faster t2 dessie has a 30 second opportunity to find you. Also each time you use a stargate and activate your cloak, you cannot align for 30 seconds (you're expected to be cynoed in by a black ops instead of using stargates). Your losses would be staggering unless you have many black op ships to cyno your 50 heavy bomber fleet out. Also, if they don't cyno you out, you'll run out of cloaking fuel within a couple of hours.

The frigate sized bombers however are much smaller and don't effect space as much. They only suffer a smaller 10 second penalty after launching torps and suffer no problem activating cloak (making it safe to solo and harass via stargates).

On the topic of defense vessels, these ships are designed to disrupt attacks on weaker (non-combat vessels) such as bombardment vessels, logis and ewar. They aren't supposed to be on the main battle, as their dps is too poor to contribute meaningfully, and trying to "tank" for other combat ships would result in them being too close and immobile to the enemy bombardment ships (the defense module dramatically lowers mobility when activated). They function primarily for anti-bomber protection and delaying attack vessels from killing their prey to give the FC enough time to react to the threat.

Also, thank you for reading my article. Check out the Bombardment Battleships!

I like the idea of bombardment battleships (assuming they only cost as much as a regular battleship now) being able to put out the hurt of current dreadnoughts onto capitals and as well as bombardment frigates and cruisers being able to contribute in the same manner (but far less dps). This is much needed option as these ships would be available to most of the EvE population and would bring an end to the reign of supercaps.

Question... what happens to dreadnoughts themselves after these changes?

Also to that guy above me, this game needs more diversity on the battlefield itself. They may as well call this game "Battlecruisers Online - The Drakes Flight through the Hurricane"

This thread is full of win from top to bottom. I was so entranced I actually read the entire thing.

CCP hire this man

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Now onto my "Miners: How to make money during Hulkageddon" thread.

Yes these battleship hulls would cost no more than they do now, facilitating the end of the super cap blobs. Right now regular players do not have the means to take out supercaps with super cap support, these bombardment battleships are precisely the answer to that.

Dreadnought dps remains the same but it gets more EHP (about 7.5 million ehp would be the expected value ) to match the EHP inflation of subcaps and gains the ability to tackle other caps and super caps and receive remote reps while doing so. Siege mode would be removed and just giving them a raw dps increase instead. These should be combat vessels, not bombardment vessels. Whether or not they should be able to blap battleships I haven't decided on yet.

Either they follow through with their concept of Ship Lines and use the OP's thread as a starting point or they should abandon the idea entirely and make tweaks to ships without overhauling the system.

In other words, if they are going to overhaul EVERYTHING in the manner of the Dev Bog and fan fest video, they should take the OP's suggestion. Otherwise scrap the idea and just make it so unused ships will be used without changing the ships that work.

+1 For effort

Nope?

If eve were to become a rock paper scissors game then it would break. You'd turn combat into countering the hard counter for the hard counter for the hard counter of a hard counter, and there would be no room for the players finding out what they want to fly, and having other alliances have to figure out how to counter that setup in a way that works for them. If you put a X > Y > Z > X
Pattern on the entire ship design line of thought, then you might as well make eve a game of chess, only a lot less fun.

Obviously you haven't read even the first 3-4 posts of the thread, because you'd see that all of the counters are "soft."

So I'll be posting the next section soon!

Some good suggestions

Some absolutely terrible ones

In the end too much pointless stat inflation.