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HD 7770 vs HD 6850 vs etc.
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indothai
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-05-22 00:22:15 UTC
Hi all,

I need expert advice, planning on getting a new video card. I'm running 2 monitors at 1920x1080 on a HD 3850 with 2 Eve clients running, one on each monitor.

Monitor 1 is running Eve client at "Window mode" @ 1920@1018.
Monitor 2 is running Eve client at "Fixed Window" @ 1920@1080.

Eve settings on both monitors are at the lowest settings and I'm getting about 15-17 FPS in station, CQ.
And getting about 20-23 FPS floating outside a station.

I'm torn between the HD 7770 and the HD 6850, here the price is very similar.
I'd like to run Eve at the medium settings, at least.
I'm also open to nVidia based cards, any recommendations would be great.


My PC:
i5-3570K
16GB Ram

Thanks!
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#2 - 2012-05-22 00:27:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ituhata Saken
Someone once told me you want the card with more barricudas in it. Not sure what vicious ocean fish have to do with it but whatever.

EDIT for content: May be worth your time to read: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/348176-33-6850-7770-diablo-movies-brand-system

So close...
Sharanelle
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-05-22 00:48:23 UTC
Ok, I expereienced something this weekend. It was eye-opening, like seeing Star Wars (the originals) for the first time. I went from a 2x ATI Radeon 4600 series setup... to a single GeForce GFX 660 ti. All I have to say... is that ATI is to graphics cards what Helen Keller would have been to Professional Paintball.

Go NVIDIA.

That is all o7

...
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#4 - 2012-05-22 00:52:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Cutter Isaacson
Sharanelle wrote:
Ok, I expereienced something this weekend. It was eye-opening, like seeing Star Wars (the originals) for the first time. I went from a 2x ATI Radeon 4600 series setup... to a single GeForce GFX 660 ti. All I have to say... is that ATI is to graphics cards what Helen Keller would have been to Professional Paintball.

Go NVIDIA.

That is all o7



LMAO you are comparing two old ass 4600 series cards to one of NVIDIAS much newer and considerably more expensive items, and you think this is fair? Twit. To the OP, don't bother with twin card set-ups no matter what the brand, and tbh you ARE better off going for an NVIDIA card these days, especially as EVE is optimised for their products.

That said, if you really want to go AMD then go for the newer 7 series card. The 6800 series had a nasty habit of overheating (or at least mine did) and they weren't all that great tbh.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
FluffyDice
Kronos Research
#5 - 2012-05-22 01:45:50 UTC
Bought myself a Gigabyte 6850 with factory OC a few weeks ago. Runs EVE, Diablo and whatever else I've thrown at it really well.
indothai
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-05-22 02:05:24 UTC
It's been a while since I followed the graphics tech closely, I got the HD 3850 only because it was the only card available at the store for the price I was willing to pay, this was about 3 or 4 years ago. My motherboard died a few days ago, hence building a new system but still using the old HD3850... but wanting to upgrade.... i figure best to ask the Eve forums on which card to get.

After doing some quick searching in the Eve forums, I have a feeling that nVidia is more prefered with Eve, and seems some of the replies are pointing in that direction.

So, nVidia is the way to go with Eve..... I have no problems using either cards, and have spent quite a bit on both sides. But what I do want, for the moment, is a card that will work best with Eve.

I do have a budget, about $150-$200 USD, so which nVidia should I get?

Thanks for the replies! keep them coming!
FluffyDice
Kronos Research
#7 - 2012-05-22 02:10:40 UTC
indothai wrote:
So, nVidia is the way to go with Eve..... I have no problems using either cards, and have spent quite a bit on both sides. But what I do want, for the moment, is a card that will work best with Eve.

One fanboy has said this. Please don't base your entire decision on that.
Sharanelle
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-05-22 02:23:04 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Sharanelle wrote:
Ok, I expereienced something this weekend. It was eye-opening, like seeing Star Wars (the originals) for the first time. I went from a 2x ATI Radeon 4600 series setup... to a single GeForce GFX 660 ti. All I have to say... is that ATI is to graphics cards what Helen Keller would have been to Professional Paintball.

Go NVIDIA.

That is all o7



LMAO you are comparing two old ass 4600 series cards to one of NVIDIAS much newer and considerably more expensive items, and you think this is fair? Twit. To the OP, don't bother with twin card set-ups no matter what the brand, and tbh you ARE better off going for an NVIDIA card these days, especially as EVE is optimised for their products.

That said, if you really want to go AMD then go for the newer 7 series card. The 6800 series had a nasty habit of overheating (or at least mine did) and they weren't all that great tbh.


Yes, I had older ATI cards. But I have never had a video card install go as smoothly as the new Nvidia card, and I have no complaints about multiboxing any game at the highest settings. My vote has been switched.

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Malak Dawnfire
Unquestionable Prosperity
Grand Inquisitors Federation
#9 - 2012-05-22 03:28:03 UTC
Sharanelle wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Sharanelle wrote:
Ok, I expereienced something this weekend. It was eye-opening, like seeing Star Wars (the originals) for the first time. I went from a 2x ATI Radeon 4600 series setup... to a single GeForce GFX 660 ti. All I have to say... is that ATI is to graphics cards what Helen Keller would have been to Professional Paintball.

Go NVIDIA.

That is all o7



LMAO you are comparing two old ass 4600 series cards to one of NVIDIAS much newer and considerably more expensive items, and you think this is fair? Twit. To the OP, don't bother with twin card set-ups no matter what the brand, and tbh you ARE better off going for an NVIDIA card these days, especially as EVE is optimised for their products.

That said, if you really want to go AMD then go for the newer 7 series card. The 6800 series had a nasty habit of overheating (or at least mine did) and they weren't all that great tbh.


Yes, I had older ATI cards. But I have never had a video card install go as smoothly as the new Nvidia card, and I have no complaints about multiboxing any game at the highest settings. My vote has been switched.


If only AMD had a card that could play EvE as swell as Nvidia.
adam smash
Department of Gub'nent Welfare
Harkonnen Federation
#10 - 2012-05-22 03:31:35 UTC
Simple want it to work or them to take care of you? Nvidia...
AMD is praying right now that the recall on all 6xx cards is real (rumor, likely started by AMD fanbois who are butt hurt at how bad they are being owned...) getting own by intel on the CPU side and nvidia on the GPU side.

Just wait till some stock comes out for 670's get an evga one.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-05-22 05:23:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
I'm running two clients at medium settings in windowed mode (1920x1080 minus taskbar) perfectly on a 6770, three clients run smoothly as well but the card's fan starts to become noticeable Blink

so I'd guess both of your cards would work just fine

maybe this helps: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5541/a...tion-review/11

the 6850 is a little faster but should also have a significantly higher power consumption than a 7770/7750

.
DCR666
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-05-22 06:55:28 UTC  |  Edited by: DCR666
for 400 bucks a 670 beats a 580 with 20-30 more FPS in some games.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-670-review,3200.html

Tom's Hardware wrote:
GeForce GTX 670 is a phenomenal little board that blows right past the GeForce GTX 580—a card that was introduced at $500 a year and a half ago
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#13 - 2012-05-22 07:36:29 UTC
Nvidia is progressing really fast in the GPU industry by all appearances, where ATi is apparently taking little steps and incrementally improving it's product. That said, if the 7xxx cards are good and use less power than the 6xxx series cards then it's a good sign. Basically, you'll be getting slightly improved graphics with lower power consumption, and with lower power consumption there will be less heat generated, so yeah, that makes sense too. I'm sure it's a good card.
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DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-05-22 07:37:22 UTC
I've only owned AMD cards, and they are all terrible.
If you plan on owning a GPU for 2+ years before upgrading, go NVIDIA.
AMD have pitiful long-term support. Your choice is to either update to recent drivers which have little glitches for all games, or keep using outdated drivers with have huge glitches for new games.

My desktop's 4870X2 refuses to manage its fan speed by itself, so I need to do it manually or else it reaches 90+ degrees Celsius and BSODs everything.

My notebook's HD 5650 melted the insides of my battery, and creates enough heat to make a plastic table-mat viscous rather than solid.

I've also had infinite pain trying to install AMD's official Windows 8 beta drivers. Even still, using my notebook's switchable graphics instantly BSODs everything. But at least the GPU isn't on at all times and setting fire to my desk.
Sellendis
The Ares project
#15 - 2012-05-22 08:49:09 UTC
Had 2900pro and eve worked fine. Then 5770, still worked fine. Upgraded to 6850 couse of circumstances, still working fine with Eve, still wish i got a nvidia :)
Got tired with Ati for all this years. Had good cooling on XFX 5770, and now twin fan on XFX 6850 keeps card under 60c under full load.
Still, buying a nvidia next time (or exchanging this one).
Jett0
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-05-22 10:42:32 UTC
Whether AMD or nVidia, you get what you pay for these days. They're both good brands, and each have their quirks.

That said, I guess the AMD bashers weren't around for nVidia's "glorious" GeForce FX cards.

Occasionally plays sober
Isokuro
tr0pa de elite
#17 - 2012-05-22 11:00:48 UTC
indothai wrote:
It's been a while since I followed the graphics tech closely, I got the HD 3850 only because it was the only card available at the store for the price I was willing to pay, this was about 3 or 4 years ago. My motherboard died a few days ago, hence building a new system but still using the old HD3850... but wanting to upgrade.... i figure best to ask the Eve forums on which card to get.

After doing some quick searching in the Eve forums, I have a feeling that nVidia is more prefered with Eve, and seems some of the replies are pointing in that direction.

So, nVidia is the way to go with Eve..... I have no problems using either cards, and have spent quite a bit on both sides. But what I do want, for the moment, is a card that will work best with Eve.

I do have a budget, about $150-$200 USD, so which nVidia should I get?

Thanks for the replies! keep them coming!



I love how kids believe in these fairy tales!!

The game works just as good or crappy on both cards.
Josef Djugashvilis
#18 - 2012-05-22 11:24:55 UTC
GTX 560Ti seems to be very popular.

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#19 - 2012-05-22 11:30:05 UTC
FluffyDice wrote:
indothai wrote:
So, nVidia is the way to go with Eve..... I have no problems using either cards, and have spent quite a bit on both sides. But what I do want, for the moment, is a card that will work best with Eve.

One fanboy has said this. Please don't base your entire decision on that.



Hey AMD FANBOI!!!! If you had actually bothered to read the rest of the guys post, he said he checked other forum posts too.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
SoulSpeed
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-05-22 12:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: SoulSpeed
I got the HD6970, runs just perfect with EVE.

But from what i see in here that to many people compare the old ATI's (and there old drivers) with newer nVidia's What?
First of all the big difference between the old vs new ATI's is that old ones are using the old driver 10.2
Ever since AMD kicked out the dev on driver and hired a new dev it has been improved a lot for the 5000+ series.
The drivers for ATI are getting closer to nVidia's every month so they made up a lot in the past year.
Another noticable thing to mention is that nVidia is a bit slacking recently on there part.
Even WHQL driver tend to be a no-go lately (my friend is running on a GTX480 in the same room)
Biggest example is with the release of BF3, nVidia cards where like a no-go where ATI had mostly no problems. (due to drivers)

Another thing i want mention is that you have to compare products based on there STANDARD series.
For example: Compare a HD6870 with a HD6970 (for the improvements) and not with a HD6950 since the xx50' are down clocked.
Same applies for nVidia. Although if you're on a max budget you apply this since you'll be camparing cards based on the budget.
Comparing nVidia with ATI goes by there equilivant series:
  • HD7xxx vs GTX6xx
  • HD69xx vs GTX5xx
  • etc...
Seeing so many websites that just compare cards the wrong way just because they're beind sponsored by one of them.
Please keep this in mind and do research about it.

Anyways, with that all being said,
Based on the Topic starter, i would suggest comparing products within your budgets range at both ATI & nVidia brands.
As far as i've seen, most cards can handle EVE just fine without any problems with both brands at max settings.
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