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Missile mining

Author
Mark Androcius
#1 - 2012-05-22 07:57:01 UTC
I was thinking about a possible new mining ship, one that uses missiles.

Explanation:
Mining boat has 3 Mining Missile Launchers, which come with their own ore shard tracking beam.

You target a rock, activate the module, it projects a tractor beam like ray of light.
Then missiles ( note, these are special mining missiles ) are shot at the rock, which pulverize the rock little by little.
The tractor beam now beams the ore shards to the ship and into it's cargo.

It doesn't have a cycle time like normal mining modules, in stead it slowly fills up the cargo hold every second.

Also, you train your missile skills to get more yield.
Daria Meridian Carlile
Necromatic Inc.
#2 - 2012-05-22 08:01:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Daria Meridian Carlile
This topic has been discussed to death, mining with regular weapons.

Even though you suggest special mining missiles, what would be the point?
Logically, this form of mining would be inefficient compared to the regular mining lasers since you'd be blasting bits of the roid all over the place.

I'm assuming this idea comes from the fact that you want actual weapons on a mining barge?

Not to mention the fact that general mining/industry skills use different attributes than missile skills, which might to a lesser extend mess with peoples skillplan (although they wouldn't have a reason to train this over regular mining skills, since it'd be less efficient)
Mark Androcius
#3 - 2012-05-22 08:33:44 UTC
Daria Meridian Carlile wrote:
This topic has been discussed to death, mining with regular weapons.

Even though you suggest special mining missiles, what would be the point?
Logically, this form of mining would be inefficient compared to the regular mining lasers since you'd be blasting bits of the roid all over the place.

I'm assuming this idea comes from the fact that you want actual weapons on a mining barge?

Not to mention the fact that general mining/industry skills use different attributes than missile skills, which might to a lesser extend mess with peoples skillplan (although they wouldn't have a reason to train this over regular mining skills, since it'd be less efficient)


Noted, lack of fantasy on your part is obvious.

They could make the missile mining option a more viable one, by making T3 mining barges ( call them Excavators or whatever ) and have them get a higher yield, but only allowed in Low and null sec space.

The missiles would not be able to damage shields at all and the tractor beam would make sure no shards float away, the whole roid would be sort of enveloped in a high gravity bubble.
Daria Meridian Carlile
Necromatic Inc.
#4 - 2012-05-22 08:45:32 UTC
Then why not make said ship one big cargo hold and just drag the whole fricking rock in? ;p

Nomatter what, blowing a rock apart would not be more efficienty than dissolving it with a high energy beam, you would at least end up with larger chunks when "missile mining" making the more fill more in the cargohold..

I do not lack imagination in general, this idea just seems pointless.

Also, why would this ship be able to envelop a 60km wide asteroid while current tractor beams can't handle anything larget than a battleship wreck?

Will we be able to tractor ships now Star Trek style?

Will we be able to mine ships while we blow them apart?
Mark Androcius
#5 - 2012-05-22 08:51:36 UTC
Daria Meridian Carlile wrote:
Then why not make said ship one big cargo hold and just drag the whole fricking rock in? ;p

Nomatter what, blowing a rock apart would not be more efficienty than dissolving it with a high energy beam, you would at least end up with larger chunks when "missile mining" making the more fill more in the cargohold..

I do not lack imagination in general, this idea just seems pointless.

Also, why would this ship be able to envelop a 60km wide asteroid while current tractor beams can't handle anything larget than a battleship wreck?

Will we be able to tractor ships now Star Trek style?

Will we be able to mine ships while we blow them apart?


Looking at your form of logic, i should have already been able to fit sub-systems to all possible ships, i should be able to covert ops cloak a Hulk, i should be able to have Orca or Rorqual sized holds on a Hulk.

Certain ships can do certain things in EVE, what you are saying here, is that if something can be done on one ship, you should be able to do it on all.
Daria Meridian Carlile
Necromatic Inc.
#6 - 2012-05-22 09:13:08 UTC
I am not saying all ships should be able to do the exact same thing.

But, take a noctis f.ex, it is a ship with a specialization in tractor beams and salvagers, how much sense would it be that a mining barge should be able to accommodate a tractor beam hundreds of times stronger?

Same with capital tractor beams, these massive power eating modules, although having superior range, would still not have even a fraction of the tractoring power of said mining barge.

Vinn Kelsier
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-05-22 10:03:56 UTC
What don't you understand about EVE hates miners? Why would we give you anything new or shinny!

Vinn
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#8 - 2012-05-22 10:22:00 UTC
Vinn Kelsier wrote:
What don't you understand about EVE hates miners? Why would we give you anything new or shinny!

Vinn


I was chatting to your mum the other day (whilst she was gyrating on my prodigious member) and she told me an interesting fact: You secretly want to be a miner but can't due to fear of being blown up. I understand, I truly do. Only the brave fly around in paper thin ships with no weapons and you are certainly not that.

So Vinn, care to explain why "EVE hates miners"?

Oh, and the idea of a missile mining ship is a terrible one. Completely unnecessary in terms of dev time and, well, any point whatsoever.
Mark Androcius
#9 - 2012-05-22 10:24:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark Androcius
Tchulen wrote:
Vinn Kelsier wrote:
What don't you understand about EVE hates miners? Why would we give you anything new or shinny!

Vinn


I was chatting to your mum the other day (whilst she was gyrating on my prodigious member) and she told me an interesting fact: You secretly want to be a miner but can't due to fear of being blown up. I understand, I truly do. Only the brave fly around in paper thin ships with no weapons and you are certainly not that.

So Vinn, care to explain why "EVE hates miners"?

Oh, and the idea of a missile mining ship is a terrible one. Completely unnecessary in terms of dev time and, well, any point whatsoever.


If there's T3 things to destroy things, there SHOULD be T3 things that help make things
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#10 - 2012-05-22 10:27:36 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Tchulen wrote:
Vinn Kelsier wrote:
What don't you understand about EVE hates miners? Why would we give you anything new or shinny!

Vinn


I was chatting to your mum the other day (whilst she was gyrating on my prodigious member) and she told me an interesting fact: You secretly want to be a miner but can't due to fear of being blown up. I understand, I truly do. Only the brave fly around in paper thin ships with no weapons and you are certainly not that.

So Vinn, care to explain why "EVE hates miners"?

Oh, and the idea of a missile mining ship is a terrible one. Completely unnecessary in terms of dev time and, well, any point whatsoever.


If there's T3 things take destroy things, there SHOULD be T3 things that help make things


At what point did I deny that? I merely pointed out that missile mining isn't a particularly useful or necessary addition. I'd have no problem with additional T3 subsystems for industry as long as they were sensible.

T3 are already used by some people for industrial stuff anyway. I know someone that does ninja gas mining in nullsec using a rorqual and a couple of Proteus's.
Daria Meridian Carlile
Necromatic Inc.
#11 - 2012-05-22 11:07:48 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Tchulen wrote:
Vinn Kelsier wrote:
What don't you understand about EVE hates miners? Why would we give you anything new or shinny!

Vinn


I was chatting to your mum the other day (whilst she was gyrating on my prodigious member) and she told me an interesting fact: You secretly want to be a miner but can't due to fear of being blown up. I understand, I truly do. Only the brave fly around in paper thin ships with no weapons and you are certainly not that.

So Vinn, care to explain why "EVE hates miners"?

Oh, and the idea of a missile mining ship is a terrible one. Completely unnecessary in terms of dev time and, well, any point whatsoever.


If there's T3 things take destroy things, there SHOULD be T3 things that help make things


A bit uncalled for Vin, but yes missile mining is pointless..

Well Mark, then we need T3 things to move stuff, T3 things to repair stuff etc. aswell....

Come up with an idea that makes sense and i will gladly support it, i too believe that miners and indies need some love.. But this idea simply doesn't make sense.