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Drake or Nighthawk?
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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#1 - 2012-05-20 19:36:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
Shinny fitted tengus are no option. But my doubt was if I continue to do C3 with 3 Drakes 386,45 dps each (with drones T2), and 724.53 Tank ability (with micro RR and fleet bonuses) against 2 Nighthawks with 538.05 dps each with drones and 643.49 tank ability.

I know the numbers and cost speak for themselves, but there is another issue here. With 2 nighthawks you could release a drake and leave it as a PVP support in case of need.

The question is, extra security (and cost) and moving to something with a little more of presence or keep using a t1 in a c3 but be a little more efficient.

Again, T3 doens`t do much if you don`t put faction or officer modules, and to give away to gankers I preffer to reduce the damage.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#2 - 2012-05-20 19:56:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
For C3s might as well use this fit:

Quote:
[Drake, C3 Drake]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5


It passive tanks 760dps if you have a mindlinked tengu boosting siege and does 510dps including drones and 411 without.
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#3 - 2012-05-20 20:08:45 UTC
Implants?

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#4 - 2012-05-20 20:13:11 UTC
No implants with that fit, with 5% missile implants and 5% shield recharge implants (which you probably don't want to use in wormholes) it tanks 804dps and does 551dps damage.

Not sure what your using for ganglinks but it does need the t2 mindlinked tengu booster to really shine - but it handles C3s fine without.
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#5 - 2012-05-20 20:17:17 UTC
I`m having troubles with the CPU, and I have all the skills relevant for missiles and shields to 5 (electronics upgrades and others)

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#6 - 2012-05-20 20:19:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Try using the meta4 shield power relays in the low (same stats, better fitting). CPU is 643 of 656 with my skills and no fitting implants).
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#7 - 2012-05-20 20:22:57 UTC
Nope, I was using active hardeners..., now It fits

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#8 - 2012-05-20 20:47:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
[Drake, C3 Drake]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Micro 'Atonement' Ward Projector

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Warrior II X 5
No tengu Giving midlink support
Pretty commong fit, tho still the question is, 3 of this or 2 nights?

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-05-20 21:32:21 UTC
the setup with two BCUs is clearly superior for C3 imo. not only does it have more paper dps, it is also much more cap stable and tanks better when capped out. also, you do not really need a target painter for C3s, just get cheap +3% missile implants and your damage should be fine.
as for the drake vs nighthawk issue: i'd personally stick to drakes. they are cheap enough so that losing one or two doesn't really hurt you financially.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#10 - 2012-05-20 21:45:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Daniel Plain wrote:
the setup with two BCUs is clearly superior for C3 imo. not only does it have more paper dps, it is also much more cap stable and tanks better when capped out. also, you do not really need a target painter for C3s, just get cheap +3% missile implants and your damage should be fine.
as for the drake vs nighthawk issue: i'd personally stick to drakes. they are cheap enough so that losing one or two doesn't really hurt you financially.


Thats pretty much what we did - they are solid fits and TPing isn't overly needed in C3s along w/ cheap implants to top off the missile damage/applied damage. When we did it the sleepers didn't neut but there weren't t2 ganglinks either so should more or less balance out anyhow.

1-2 people would swap the passive resist amps for a shield recharger and a target painter which works well enough to or for a little more tank you can swap the thermal resist amp for a shield recharger - I prefer the thermal resist version tho as if you do encounter PVP you can drop a scimi or couple of basis in along with something with tackle and its a pretty tough setup to break.
Ryday
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-05-21 14:46:53 UTC
Perhaps setup the third drake with a 10mn prop, harmonizing shield link, salvagers, and tractor beams.
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#12 - 2012-05-21 15:25:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
We are actually aiming for time optimization of the combat in the sites, as we spend half of the little time we have trying to fend off incoming wholers that cometo their static for the free isk (mostly russians).

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-05-21 16:28:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
We are actually aiming for time optimization of the combat in the sites, as we spend half of the little time we have trying to fend off incoming wholers that cometo their static for the free isk (mostly russians).

well dropping a bcu for a spr certainly won't help your kill time. i will admit though that one target painter would increase overall dps if you are flying a threesome. without the painter regular scourge deals about the same effective dps on cruisers as fury does.
if all three drakes are being piloted manually, you might even try and fit salvagers into the free highs to nibble away the frigate wrecks so that the noctis can stay cloaked longer.

I should buy an Ishtar.
drdxie
#14 - 2012-05-21 22:50:51 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:


Again, T3 doens`t do much if you don`t put faction or officer modules, and to give away to gankers I preffer to reduce the damage.


WRONG!!! . A T2 fit tengu can happily solo tank any C3 and put out more dps than the NH. The hull with subs will still cost more than the NH though.

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#15 - 2012-05-22 04:45:12 UTC
I would love to learn how to fit a passive tengu for a c3. Not trolling, but I'm too clumsy with T3 fittings.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#16 - 2012-05-22 16:09:33 UTC
I'm not of the opinion its worth using tengus for C3 sites (tho I've done it in the past) - drakes just handle it well enough with a lot less ISK on the line if you get ganked.

Its a bit of a marmite setup but if you want to do C3 sites really fast with 3-4 chars and have a good siege booster (not just shield harmonising on a random drake) then active shield tanked domi doing shield/energy RR along with shield tanked oracles will blitz the cruisers and BS tho the frigs will either need some webbing support or let the domi concentrate on them with light drones.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-05-22 16:17:20 UTC
Rroff wrote:
I'm not of the opinion its worth using tengus for C3 sites (tho I've done it in the past) - drakes just handle it well enough with a lot less ISK on the line if you get ganked.

Its a bit of a marmite setup but if you want to do C3 sites really fast with 3-4 chars and have a good siege booster (not just shield harmonising on a random drake) then active shield tanked domi doing shield/energy RR along with shield tanked oracles will blitz the cruisers and BS tho the frigs will either need some webbing support or let the domi concentrate on them with light drones.

this sounds pretty fun tbh, especially since sleepers like to orbit far out where tracking is not an issue.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#18 - 2012-05-22 17:18:23 UTC
I forgot to mention that i live in a black hole system :-O

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7