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Multiple charachters training idea.

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Thufir Hawaat
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-10-03 06:52:57 UTC
Since I'd never found any reasonable information and topics regarding this idea I'd like to post my own vision.
What if we get a feature of training more than one character on our accounts with one signinficant restriction - getting secondary character locked to account forever? I mean if I want to train one or two more alts on my account in the same time with my main, let me do this but make them locked for transferrs. That shall allow players to have their alts for different purposes in one sandbox. While first time player gets to the training skill queue screen at his/her 'alt' and starts training anything the information box shall appear informing that if it is confirmed than current character shall stick to account forever, giving at least an option to choose or not to choose(hey Willie). Want to buy characters from the market? Fine, you are welcome. Want to make something of your own idea? Be warned that no more transfers allowed for this character.

Discuss please.
Khersei
Deimos Delivery Co
Pillars of Liberty
#2 - 2011-10-03 11:42:07 UTC
Wont happen.

The current implementation forces you to pay multiple a subscription/use plex for each character you want to train concurrently.
I dont think you will get any suggestions accepted that reduce CCP's income.

I think you might get the ability to train multiple characters per account by paying a PLEX to alllow one months skilling per character - as this will have the same effect as paying for another account for a month.
Thufir Hawaat
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-10-03 13:52:11 UTC
i ment that if You want to train and trade characters - please be ready to pay for extra account. Otherwise they all shall stick together and forever.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-10-03 14:49:54 UTC
I proposed an idea along similar lines, very recently.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=132895#post132895

I chose the title poorly, and got a lot of responses from people who obviously didn't read the first post beyond the title.

Anyway, we both agree that it would be nice to have some way to train two characters on the same account.



Regarding PI, I already know people who train alts on the same account to do PI - it doesn't take that long to do, so they have alts that do PI, and not much else (although I know of one guy collecting datacores from 9 characters on 3 accounts)
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#5 - 2011-10-03 14:57:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Still no as it would increase the cost in customer service and increase peition times.

Yes I do read but I look for key words on the idea first before I decide if it warrent a quick reply or a full analysis, most of my quick replies are usually repeats to an idea I and many others repeatingly said no to in the past.

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Thufir Hawaat
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-10-03 15:05:31 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
I proposed an idea along similar lines, very recently.


Regarding PI, I already know people who train alts on the same account to do PI - it doesn't take that long to do, so they have alts that do PI, and not much else (although I know of one guy collecting datacores from 9 characters on 3 accounts)


Not only PI is a reason for that. One surely will train PI agent and another one might be willing to have perfect trader and hauler, or scientist-engineer or something else as variety of these is endless. But anyway - that's right. And regarding more cost of customer service and/or petitions - it's easy to avoid by adding double or triple checks in popup messages with warning.
1. Information box which shall close only after radio button is set to 'agree'.
2. Confirmation box with same feature.
3. Notification box of the same kind.
That shall at least eliminate possibility of appearance of petitions like: "oh, I did nothing and my second char now locked forewer, plz return my character" etc. Three times being warned - all three times have to confirm. And no way to run a sequence without player own presence.
Something like that.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-10-03 15:38:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Aqriue
Doesn't need to be locked to the account, CCP just needs to get off their ass and just add "Billing Option - 2 Characters Train at Once?" for same price as 2 accounts (or up to 3x). At any time you can turn off the monthy 2x character billing that resets it to 1x character training and this would save me the hassle multiple billing info to deal with. Sure, CCP looses out on the character transfer fee to 1 account BUT!!!! at the same time they are still getting the 2x subscription fee up to and when ever I want to turn it off but I could also be training the third character slot just for the sole purpose of selling off (which grants CCP that missing transfer fee).

But hey, this is CCP we are talking about that thinks "micro transaction" is 50 dollar POS monocle that you can barely see and its destructable if you load it in your cargo hold for some reason. Hey, its responcilbity to not put it in the ship but hell its CCP's responsibility to invent somekind of workable micro-transaction that no one hates....really, boots I cannot see unless I pan way the hell out in third person no thank you but the ability to have 1 account and multiple character training just to not deal with billing issues yes please!....do you really have to bloat your "total players" that badly by forcing them to have multiple accounts to make the business look good?
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-10-03 17:53:44 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Still no as it would increase the cost in customer service and increase peition times.

Yes I do read but I look for key words on the idea first before I decide if it warrent a quick reply or a full analysis, most of my quick replies are usually repeats to an idea I and many others repeatingly said no to in the past.


So one moment its pointless because its the same as dual accounting, the next moment its unacceptable because it increases the customer service demand, despite being simpler to run than 2 accounts....

I think there is just a group of people on this forum that like insulting everyone else's ideas.
Goose99
#9 - 2011-10-03 19:05:35 UTC
Thufir Hawaat wrote:
i ment that if You want to train and trade characters - please be ready to pay for extra account. Otherwise they all shall stick together and forever.


CCP loses character transfer fees, along with subscription of those who get extra accounts for training.
Thufir Hawaat
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-10-03 19:14:03 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
[quote=Nova Fox]Still no as it would increase the cost in customer service and increase peition times.

I think there is just a group of people on this forum that like insulting everyone else's ideas.


We call them trolls :)
Anyway no real discuss I see. Nobody wants to give any pros instead of cons.Straight

Of course there is a reason for CCP not to change anything to keep up their income. But what is the reason to store so many loose accounts with characters being transferred? PLEX-payment or card or any other way - the company is well paid anyway by people making dummies for sale. But if I want to have my own dummy forever? I want to be UNABLE to sell my secondary and tertiary character. I want to USE them at my own.
At least it can be implemented in the way the whole account is locked no matter how many chars you have on it. And this is one way ticket. You can train 1-2-3 chars but forget about any transfers.
Something like that.

P.S. Discuss is still available as you all can see. Just think before posting negative messages and find your personal advantages and see if it is good for YOU. It's not necessary to think FOR CPP, as blueposters can reply and 'set all dots above "i"-s'.

P.P.S. Majorly I'd like to see any blueposters reply to this idea.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-10-04 00:14:28 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
CCP loses character transfer fees, along with subscription of those who get extra accounts for training.


But look at what CCP gains: people buying additional PLEXs that otherwise would not be buying plexes.

Lets say I went the alt+ merge route. Once I stop training that alt, I am unlikely to spent any more money on it, as it means I must pay to split the account, pay for a plex, then pay to re merge the account.

In essence, once the account is merged, the cash flow to CCP stops.

In my proposed system, people are much more likely to decide from time to time to buy more PLExs for their alt.

In my case, I won't be making any separate accounts (except possibly as repeated use of the buddy system, to have a whole bunch of accounts hauling **** for me, and doing PI [stuff that you can train for in well under 51 days] - all of these accounts would simply let their Subscription lapse after 51 days- creating a mess for CCP).

But I would be willing to buy PLEXs for alts on the same account.
Thufir Hawaat
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-10-04 10:42:01 UTC
Quite a reason I suppose.
Yes, company works for Profit (I suspect them in close relations with Teladi). But also there should be an option. If you want to keep your alts on the same account training and unlocked it's charged with extra payment no matter how shall you do pay. If you want to keep your account solid locked - maybe sole payment is enough to enable an option. I remind once more that I propose feature of one-way-ticket. There shall be no way back. And it can be state in EULA ofc.
Aidan Patrick
Aldebaran Foundation
#13 - 2011-10-04 12:47:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Patrick
I have to say; I am actually in favor of implimenting multiple characters training on the same account. I can however thing of some pros and cons to this though.

Cons
  • Simplifies character 'farming'. (Skilling it specifically to sell it)
  • Individual paying the additional cost is only able to log on one of the characters at a time, putting them at a disadvantage compared to those that have separate accounts.

Pros
  • Players incapable, or who do not care about multi-boxing characters are able to train multiple characters with less of a headache.

I personally disagree with ever locking a character from transfer when you're training multiple characters on the same account. My reason is simple... Character farming (skilling purely to sell it) is going to happen no-matter what. If the people who do it can't use the new system, they'll just keep doing it the old way with multiple accounts anyways. Don't know if it's just me but that seems a waste of database space.



I personally would like to see this brought in through other means. Some may be familiar with how other games offer additional character slots. I would like to see additional "account slots". Basically in a nutshell, the account owner can increase their monthly fee by X each month to unlock another account slot.

An additional "account slot" would give you:
  • 3 Additional Character Slots
  • Ability to be training 1 Additional Character
  • Ability to have 1 additional character logged in from the same location. (regardless of account slot, IMO)
  • Any characters up to the maximum account slots can be trained, regardless of which account slot it is on. (IE, I pay for 3 account slots, I can train 3 characters, even if all 3 of them are on the same account slot.

What this in turn would do is allow players to consolidate their usernames and password into one. Which believe me when you have six accounts, makes life a lot easier.

On top of username and password consolidation, it will allow for players to consolidate their monthly bill in EVE into one payment.

Payment for an account with PLEX that has multiple "account slots" should be able to be performed still, but when you redeem the PLEX for game time, it gives you a popup asking which account slot (assuming you have multiples) you wish to apply the PLEX to, so you could in theory pay for one account slot with cash, and others with PLEX.

At any time you can choose to not renew a specific account slot, preventing access to any of the characters on that slot, and revoking that slots ability to have 1 additional character logged in.

Anyways, thats my 0.02 ISK on this at the moment. I'm curious what people will think about it.


EDIT TO ADD THIS:
Should my method be implemented I believe that a character transfer fee should be charged if you want to switch which account slot a character is on.

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