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Current CSM Needs Desolved (and a new elections needs to occur). (UPDATE - Read latest post.)

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#21 - 2012-05-19 18:13:13 UTC
abolish the CSM

hire community liaisons
Alara IonStorm
#22 - 2012-05-19 18:14:05 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Until Selene produces his real birth certificate he's not the real CSM chair


True story

Hawaii is barely a state anyway, more of a vacation spot.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-05-19 19:44:02 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
The CSM was suppose to be about helping CCP in the development of the game. Lately it has been about meta game, both in and out of game, and all about certain individuals and corps. The game does not revolve around them. There are thousands of players that try to enjoy this game. With the actions of the latest CSM, since day one, it is clear that they have no interest in anything to do with the game that doesn't involve their own interest.

EVE is a bad game. The meta game is its only redemption.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#24 - 2012-05-19 19:49:01 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
This is just like the rigged tournament. This CSM doesn't represent the player base. CCP KNOWS how they got elected. They KNOW they don't represent US. THEY KNOW, and they don't CARE. They can be that way all they want. It's their house. However, they have to live with the reputations they derive from it, not us.

PS Not to put too fine a point on it. The word you want is "dissolved."
IF "desolved" is a real word, the CSM is already that.
De-solved.



It tries to make a post or it gets the hose.
Thunder Cobra
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-05-19 21:42:35 UTC
-1. Current CSM is fine.


mmm mmm mmm! Goon Tears are TASTY!!!

nom nom nom
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-05-19 21:48:32 UTC
Thunder Cobra wrote:
-1. Current CSM is fine.


mmm mmm mmm! Goon Tears are TASTY!!!

nom nom nom


Saia isn't a Goon. Saia is about as far from being a Goon as you can get.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
adam smash
Department of Gub'nent Welfare
Harkonnen Federation
#27 - 2012-05-19 22:02:36 UTC
Remove the whole IDEA of CSM... it's BS anyways. Does not work... failcarna anyone?

What we say (and the csm says) does not matter we know how to get what we want... UNSUB... CCP listens to nothing else.
Mathias Hex
#28 - 2012-05-20 02:12:51 UTC
Ya well when you end up naked on the street jackin it in San Diego don't ask me for help.

I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-05-20 02:38:44 UTC
I cast a vote of "no confidence" for this thread.

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Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-05-20 02:40:47 UTC
adam smash wrote:
Remove the whole IDEA of CSM... it's BS anyways. Does not work... failcarna anyone?

What we say (and the csm says) does not matter we know how to get what we want... UNSUB... CCP listens to nothing else.


Incarna happened because CCP didn't share vital information with the CSM. It was a failure on CCPs part, not the CSM. This is a failure which has been fixed.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-05-20 02:43:43 UTC
adam smash wrote:
Remove the whole IDEA of CSM... it's BS anyways. Does not work... failcarna anyone?

What we say (and the csm says) does not matter we know how to get what we want... UNSUB... CCP listens to nothing else.


wow looks like you weren't around for CSM 5's open letter to CCP about Incarna

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-05-20 02:44:08 UTC
also I don't support this, I'm enjoying the dog and pony show that is CSM 7

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-05-20 02:45:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhihatsu
Richard Desturned wrote:
adam smash wrote:
Remove the whole IDEA of CSM... it's BS anyways. Does not work... failcarna anyone?

What we say (and the csm says) does not matter we know how to get what we want... UNSUB... CCP listens to nothing else.


wow looks like you weren't around for CSM 5's open letter to CCP about Incarna


Wasn't it CSM6?

CSM7 might not be terrible. At the very least seeing Issler freak out whenever another alliance belonging to a CSM member shows up in her space is worth having them all there. Cause I'm pretty sure none of the other CSM Delegates respect her at all. Probably even less respect than they have for DIII.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Malice Redeemer
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#34 - 2012-05-20 05:34:45 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
adam smash wrote:
Remove the whole IDEA of CSM... it's BS anyways. Does not work... failcarna anyone?

What we say (and the csm says) does not matter we know how to get what we want... UNSUB... CCP listens to nothing else.


wow looks like you weren't around for CSM 5's open letter to CCP about Incarna


Wasn't it CSM6?

CSM7 might not be terrible. At the very least seeing Issler freak out whenever another alliance belonging to a CSM member shows up in her space is worth having them all there. Cause I'm pretty sure none of the other CSM Delegates respect her at all. Probably even less respect than they have for DIII.


So because they bully her as a group, that makes it right, and them better or something? Cute, I think
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#35 - 2012-05-20 06:06:55 UTC
It's that horrible realisation you have at 3AM that Mittens might have actually been good for the CSM.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#36 - 2012-05-20 06:13:02 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
adam smash wrote:
Remove the whole IDEA of CSM... it's BS anyways. Does not work... failcarna anyone?

What we say (and the csm says) does not matter we know how to get what we want... UNSUB... CCP listens to nothing else.


wow looks like you weren't around for CSM 5's open letter to CCP about Incarna


Wasn't it CSM6?

CSM7 might not be terrible. At the very least seeing Issler freak out whenever another alliance belonging to a CSM member shows up in her space is worth having them all there. Cause I'm pretty sure none of the other CSM Delegates respect her at all. Probably even less respect than they have for DIII.

Yeah, a bunch of goons and then PL dreadnaughts...

CSM LITTLERALLY ATTACKING

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Americe Zane
The Lucky Punx
#37 - 2012-05-20 06:55:53 UTC
Morganta wrote:
abolish the CSM

hire community liaisons



I agree with this. It works for most other games.

Politicians are always going to push their own agenda, no surprises there. I don't trust an entity whose interest lies in how much fun or ISK, they can have. CCP and a community liaison have an interest in making a balanced and fun game for all, because they know it will bring in more money in the long run. I don't believe any CSM member really cares about things outside of their own interests.
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-05-20 13:50:02 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
Thunder Cobra wrote:
-1. Current CSM is fine.


mmm mmm mmm! Goon Tears are TASTY!!!

nom nom nom


Saia isn't a Goon. Saia is about as far from being a Goon as you can get.


Backed up by a Goon. I'm convinced.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#39 - 2012-05-20 13:52:49 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
This is just like the rigged tournament. This CSM doesn't represent the player base. CCP KNOWS how they got elected. They KNOW they don't represent US. THEY KNOW, and they don't CARE. They can be that way all they want. It's their house. However, they have to live with the reputations they derive from it, not us.

PS Not to put too fine a point on it. The word you want is "dissolved."
IF "desolved" is a real word, the CSM is already that.
De-solved.



Did you vote?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#40 - 2012-05-20 13:55:18 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
They actually addressed this issue in the townhall meeting. They were very candid and straight forth with their answer and I am confident that the CSM is in fact keeping their CSM responsibilites seperate from their in game intities. This is good.

I asked them about this issue in the townhall and they didn't try to dodge or make light of this issue at all. That says a lot about the people on the current CSM.

Confidence restored. Big smile


Good. When we spotted your question we figured it would be a good way to clear the air for folks that might have had the same perceptions. In the end, we're all playing the same game and ALL aspects of EVE depend on each other to some extent. In-game "hates" are just that; once you have ~real talk~ with another player or go to a FanFest / other EVE Player meets it does a lot to shatter personal animosity about spaceship pixels. Smile

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