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3 Tengus + Noctis

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Kashada Kire
Nigerian Prince Recruitment InitiativeDOT
#1 - 2012-05-18 17:25:03 UTC
I have four accounts and have been looking for ways to maximize my profit when I need to PvE, and I started looking into wormholes. First off, I have no experience with them. I know the basics; no stargates, no local, always have a prober, etc, etc. But past that, not much. That said, I am thinking of a set up with three RR (or spider tanking I think it's called) Tengus. Then I have a character who can fly a cheetah and a Noctis. To start off with, if someone could post fits that could work for the Tengu, that would be great. Also, I'm looking to work in a C4 wormhole eventually; but with start in C3's to get the hang of it, practice, etc.

Basically, I just have some questions I'd like some help with, so I'll get right to it:

1) As I said above, if you could post a RR Tengu fit it would be very helpful.
2) Is a set up like this going to require a POS? As in, will I "pick" a C4, set up my pos, and use it as home for my Tengus? Or, will this be a roaming around thing where I hop from C4 to C4 in search of sites?
3) How exactly do connections to C3's and C4's function? As in, what connects to them, how do you get into them?
4) How do "sites" function? Is it, within a wormhole there are sites you scan down, you kill the sleepers there, and move onto the next site...and then the first site respawns after a while?
5) With well fitted and skilled RR tengus, what kind of isk/hr am I looking at with and without salvaging?
6) And how sustainable is that rate? As long as I can play it? Or only a certain amount of hours?
7) I know Wormholes are dangerous; but how much traffic am I looking at for a C4? Are they frequently hunted through?

If there's anything else you think I should know, no comment will be looked down upon. Assume I'm an idiot who doesn't know anything (because I am and I don't).
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#2 - 2012-05-18 17:36:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
You'd be better off finding an empty C4 and putting up a POS - roaming around WH space randomly with a bunch of RR tengus is only going to end one way...

Traffic wise a C4 is a bit more out of the way than other systems but you should still be on your guard and expect visitors atleast every other day and possibly more often.

Wormholes don't excatly have set site spawns, you will get for the most part a random selection of sites spawning at a fairly random rate and once run, salvaged and despawnd that site won't immediatly respawn in your wormhole but you will get fairly regular new ones.

If you stick to one wormhole and put up a pos in it and don't use your static to run sites in linked wormholes then in a C4 assuming your relatively active the spawn rate will probably cap your income at about 1billion a week on average - you might get some days where you can clear 400-500m in a day but then the spawn rate might dry up for a week its quite varied - if you crash your static looking for new linked wormholes to run sites in then theoretically the sky is the limit on income but also the risk goes up proportionality. I have to say throwing a bunch of tengus, etc. in C4 territory without much previous wh experience is gonna be quite a steep learning curve - wormholes are not safe places to be and while you can manage the risks with experience you are probably gonna lose a ship or 10 to ganks before you learn enough to minimise your exposure to PVP encounters (or embrace them).

EDIT: I should say its been awhile since I lived in a C4 so potential income might have changed a bit since especially as wormhole space as a whole it a lot more active now.
Rahmiro
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#3 - 2012-05-18 18:04:14 UTC
Get in a WH corp. Learn the way the wormhole.

No salvage no isk.

I never seen these people in my life. I don't recognize them Your Honor

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#4 - 2012-05-18 19:37:00 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
It's not easy to multibox three ships in a site, and you'll take much heavier losses if someone ganks you (and it will happen).

If you insist on trying it this way, though, add an orca to the mix. You can live out of it, stow three cruisers in the SMA, and store your loot long-term. Keep it logged off as much as you can and cloaked in a safe spot when it's logged on and not directly being used. Same goes for the noctis.

Keep your tengus in the Orca when you aren't using them and keep your pilots in some variety of cloaky ship. Bomber, covops, force recon, whatever. Have multiple scanning ships and make SURE you never put your last probe launcher at risk. Always be sure you can get the expensive stuff (and loot) out. You don't want to be self-destructing an orca because you did something stupid.

If you don't know how to live in w-space, learn before you do this. Daytrip in battlecruisers. Join a wormhole corp that will teach you the ropes. Read a LOT. And expect to lose stuff.

edit: I wouldn't recommend setting up a POS for yourself in anything bigger than a C1. Even C1s are risky with the tier 3 BCs able to come in and smash your stuff quite effectively. If you want a POS, get a corp.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#5 - 2012-05-18 20:35:49 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

edit: I wouldn't recommend setting up a POS for yourself in anything bigger than a C1. Even C1s are risky with the tier 3 BCs able to come in and smash your stuff quite effectively. If you want a POS, get a corp.


He'd be ok in C1-4 aslong as he has a couple of chars with good skills in the POS stuff including starbase defence and setup a large dickstar/deathstar - he'd have to really annoy someone, leave lots of bling floating about POS or get really unlucky for someone to bash that.

Trying to live out an orca in some kinda transient style without a lot of WH experience is gonna end in costly loss mails more likely than not but I definitely would reccomend your other suggestion that he got some experience "WH Diving" from empire with a battlecruiser or 2 i.e. drakes in C1-3s - I'd prolly use a cheapy salvager like a catalyst at first tho a stabbed noctis will usually escape.
Killmail Princess
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-05-18 21:08:38 UTC
Having lived in a C4->c3 for almost a year, i can really recommend it! I multibox 3 tengus and a noctis on 4 accounts, its not much of an hassle at all. I keep my tengus on one monitor controlling them with alt-tab, then i have the noctis on the other. C3 static is nice for pew pew, but their sites get really pretty boring after a while. If you have a friend or two, and wouldn't mind losing out on the PvP action that can be fairly frequent in C3's, you might want to find a C4->c4.

Mount a large pos. C4 with static C3 has pretty easy logistics, especially if you get comfortable chain collapsing until you find C3 with static highsec. IMO, when it comes to wormholes, if you do it half heartedly, then that's what you're going to get as well. Starbases are much nicer than orcas and you've paid for the tower in a few days of doing C4 sites.
Ryday
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-05-18 21:16:05 UTC
Join a well established wormhole corp/alliance so you've a good environment to learn in.

Fly Covert Ops and Drakes for a couple months before bothering with Tengus.

Learn how to scan and probe and train all your astrometric skills to a minimum of 4.
Killmail Princess
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-05-18 21:36:10 UTC
Kashada Kire wrote:

1) As I said above, if you could post a RR Tengu fit it would be very helpful.
2) Is a set up like this going to require a POS? As in, will I "pick" a C4, set up my pos, and use it as home for my Tengus? Or, will this be a roaming around thing where I hop from C4 to C4 in search of sites?
3) How exactly do connections to C3's and C4's function? As in, what connects to them, how do you get into them?
4) How do "sites" function? Is it, within a wormhole there are sites you scan down, you kill the sleepers there, and move onto the next site...and then the first site respawns after a while?
5) With well fitted and skilled RR tengus, what kind of isk/hr am I looking at with and without salvaging?
6) And how sustainable is that rate? As long as I can play it? Or only a certain amount of hours?
7) I know Wormholes are dangerous; but how much traffic am I looking at for a C4? Are they frequently hunted through?


1. Find a cookie-cutter tengu RR fit and improve on it. They're pretty hard to do wrong. Get a dissolution Sequencer on your tengu for some extra range. Very useful for those spawns starting 115 km from you.
2. Absolutely use a pos. It just makes everything easier. As long as you follow some common sense, you will be okay.
3. C4 only connect to other wormholes, not known space. You will get K162 entrances from C2, C4 and C5, but it does not happen a often. I'd say once maybe every 3 days, perhaps?
4. You have X amount of sites to do. Over time, new sites will appear. If you're alone, this should be more than enough. If you have a C3 or C4 static, you can do as much sites as you'd want to. Just collapse the static once its dry and probe out the new one.
5. Salvage is a good chunk of the wormhole income, so you'd want to do that. Isk/hr depends on a lot of factors, but if you have 3 tengus and a noctis, doing c3 sites, you could probably earn 300-400m not counting time probing around.
6. See 4.
7. C4 wormholes is very quiet compared to other wormholes. Your best defense is your offense, though. If you're active fighting people in wormholes, people tend not to want to mess around with you unless they have a much larger gang.
Rastrelli Strasov
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-05-18 21:36:30 UTC
^ This ^

There are two rules for success:

  1. Never tell everything you know
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#10 - 2012-05-19 05:40:29 UTC
Just take 4 drakes in, after it, salvage. No need to scan in a C4 couse it doesn`t have exit to empire, so no bad ppl molesting you

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7

Juan Sezole
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-05-19 08:14:14 UTC
Rahmiro wrote:
Get in a WH corp. Learn the way the wormhole.

No salvage no isk.

No isk, no good.
Gonzo TheGreat
Donuttown
#12 - 2012-05-19 16:24:00 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Just take 4 drakes in, after it, salvage. No need to scan in a C4 couse it doesn`t have exit to empire, so no bad ppl molesting you


Yes, Cause the only bad people in wspace come from empire
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2012-05-19 19:16:55 UTC
I am intrigued to find ppl saying how good C4s are. I found C4 life quite disappointing, and my cashflow was way better in a decent C3. My efforts have all been small-gang (self and a few alts) residential stuff.

There is also some merit to other suggestions already made.

1. Joining an established w-space gang offers some learning curve benefits and the up-front ability to take-on tougher sites in higher class w-systems.
2. Starting out easy, like the use-drakes poster suggests, also has merit. There's a halluva lot to learn about surviving and profiting in w-space and swapping from tengu back 'down' to drakes is gonna reduce the failmode gank cost by 2+ billion isk. Yes, you will be able to afford such a loss after a wee while in w-space but, if youre anything like me, you will prolly prefer to avoid it happening.

I multibox w-space sites and find myself having difficulty with >2 active guys at a time. There's a lot of system surveillance you also need to keep up with so it's very different (IMO) to multiboxing missions.

My fleet was 2 DPS toons (2 x tengu or tengu + snake), one booster sitting in POS (7-link seige-implanted vulture), and one scout with a deep space probe deployed (loki). This fleet clears everything up to, and including C5s, relatively quickly. I've never tried C6s or cap escalations. Of course more ships = quicker clearing. I'd clear a series of sites and then swap one of the DPS guys to noctis and do a round of salvaging / looting.

I kept coming back to C3 systems as I found them best for solo / small-gang isk flow.

Good luck.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Mattalious
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-05-19 19:28:24 UTC
You can do 3 out of the 4 site types anomalies with a pair of RR tengus without too much bother. No point in doing it with three because the time you spend micro-managing that third tengu is time you can spend D-scanning. Yep, it takes longer, but there's a real risk you'll miss spotting the covert ops flickering up for those few fleeting seconds, and that'll cost you far more than time.

Best idea is to get in with a C4 corp and have them show you the ropes.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#15 - 2012-05-19 19:33:41 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
I am intrigued to find ppl saying how good C4s are. I found C4 life quite disappointing, and my cashflow was way better in a decent C3. My efforts have all been small-gang (self and a few alts) residential stuff.

There is also some merit to other suggestions already made.

1. Joining an established w-space gang offers some learning curve benefits and the up-front ability to take-on tougher sites in higher class w-systems.
2. Starting out easy, like the use-drakes poster suggests, also has merit. There's a halluva lot to learn about surviving and profiting in w-space and swapping from tengu back 'down' to drakes is gonna reduce the failmode gank cost by 2+ billion isk. Yes, you will be able to afford such a loss after a wee while in w-space but, if youre anything like me, you will prolly prefer to avoid it happening.

I multibox w-space sites and find myself having difficulty with >2 active guys at a time. There's a lot of system surveillance you also need to keep up with so it's very different (IMO) to multiboxing missions.

My fleet was 2 DPS toons (2 x tengu or tengu + snake), one booster sitting in POS (7-link seige-implanted vulture), and one scout with a deep space probe deployed (loki). This fleet clears everything up to, and including C5s, relatively quickly. I've never tried C6s or cap escalations. Of course more ships = quicker clearing. I'd clear a series of sites and then swap one of the DPS guys to noctis and do a round of salvaging / looting.

I kept coming back to C3 systems as I found them best for solo / small-gang isk flow.

Good luck.


Yeah C4s are a bit of a half-way house - for someone with a couple of RR tengus they are way better income than a C3 but nothing like a C5 with a decent fleet, for someone thats only got 1 main account then they are way too slow and C3s are better for time/isk and if you've got a few friends then a C4 pales compared to what you can make in a C5 with a good fleet. The main draw for someone multi-boxing is that compared to a C3 or C5 your chances of getting ganked are considerably lower - tho still relatively risky compared to other parts of eve.
Ryday
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-05-20 03:59:58 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Just take 4 drakes in, after it, salvage. No need to scan in a C4 couse it doesn`t have exit to empire, so no bad ppl molesting you

Silly troll. Go back in your hole.