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Are the Goons killing Eve?

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Metal Icarus
Wraithguard.
The Wraithguard.
#101 - 2012-05-18 13:54:37 UTC
If you think goons are killing Eve why don't you quit whining and join a nullsec alliance that hates goons. (there are quite a few)

Srs, be a part of the solution. Even an indurtialist/merchant/miner/missioner can do a ton for any alliance. Numbers are important, but so is the industrial base of any alliance. Any highsec player can help make a difference, it is all about putting in the effort to help!
Zakuak
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2012-05-18 14:06:58 UTC
Looking at the alltime daily averages, It looks perfectly healthy to me. Minor fluctuations are to be expected but the overall trend is in the positive.

I always fall back to eve and look very much forward to it. I'll dip out for a couple months or more at a time and play new game releases then get the eve bug and come creeping back.

Goons have nothing to do with this.
Esturary
The Bloody Bandits
Hell Dawn
#103 - 2012-05-18 14:09:50 UTC
That what they said about BOB years ago when they were in the same position. Things change over time and will again. There will be an implosion of some sort of egotistical proportions between CEO's or what have you and all out war will ensue and standings reset......you know the drill. Its like the Roman occupation........soon the enough the slaves will revolt and the fall will eventually come.....not that I wish that upon them as they have maintained an impressive run but it always seems to happen.
Singoth
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#104 - 2012-05-18 14:11:57 UTC
It is the inaction of non-goons that goons are killing EVE.

Don't blame goons for what they are doing.
Blame yourself for not doing anything against them.


Not that I don't like goons. They're cool. But seriously, less yappin', more zappin' would be healthy for everyone.

Less yappin', more zappin'!

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#105 - 2012-05-18 14:12:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Peter Raptor wrote:
Every single one of these things have happened in previous years and the player count has been much higher then, so yeah, stats speak volumes.
Every single one of those have happened in the previous years, and the results have been exactly the same. Yes, the player counts have also been higher, but not while those things have been happening. The pattern is the same as always, and the only thing the stats say with any volume is that the goons are a pretty insignificant factor.

For instance…

Thu         2011-11-10          37,648
Fri           2011-11-11          37,644
Tue         2011-11-15          35,660
Wed        2011-11-16          35,891
Thu         2011-11-17          35,404
Fri           2011-11-18          36,278

Factors: autumn lull before a patch (Crucible was released two weeks later); other releases (11-07 was the start of “AAA week” for the holiday release rush); low-population days (Saturadys through Mondays during the same period were all 40k+)… and no goons (Goonswarm Shrugged ended one month earlier). So pre-patch lull and large game release on its own is enough to get the numbers down that low.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
#106 - 2012-05-18 14:13:14 UTC
EvE Online

Circling the drain since 2003
Dors Venabily
United Starbase Systems
#107 - 2012-05-18 14:24:39 UTC
Morganta wrote:
EvE Online

Circling the drain since 2003


Must be a very small drain we are still circling Big smile
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#108 - 2012-05-18 14:30:27 UTC
knulla wrote:
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:

I need a new highway..................



Fun to only mine highsec with 4 accounts in EVE is it?


THIS ^^ is what is wrong with the PlayerBase of this joke of a game.

WHO said anything about F-ing mining ?

YOU did, that's who...............



It's just not worth hanging around brain dead a**es like yourself any longer. Your bullS*** has infected and ruined this once great game.

What a sad life you must lead where your only purpose is to shove your damned thoughts into other people's mouths.

That's why there is no descent discusion about what direction this game should take what for class-clown sad idiots like yourself.

I give you personally a thousand DisLikes.

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900

Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#109 - 2012-05-18 14:33:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulousli Obvious
Francisco Bizzaro wrote:
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
It's a sandbox, but the steering wheel is fixed (by Goons) and the speed is regulated by a governor (CCP).

I need a new highway..................

One with slower speeds? Because that is what miners are asking for, right?

(By the way, unless sandboxes have changed quite a bit since I was a kid, I think you may be mixing metaphors there.)



WHY oh WHY is anything negative just ASSUMED to be about mining? Jebus H Hosanna Keeeeeeerist !!!!

Talk about locked into one mode of thinking. An utter inability to think outside the box or even come up with an original productive comment. None at all.

Sad reeally. Pathetic even.

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900

Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#110 - 2012-05-18 14:35:44 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Jita burn, Hulkageddon V etc etc etc

17th of may, server didn't break 37 thousand online, never have I seen that before since started playing about 3 years ago.

We live in interesting event horizons What?


Its a sandbox, the Goons are the "arch enemy", unlike other crappy games, we have a real enemy, not some lame NPCs with scripted AI you can learn watching a YouTube vid.


It's a good thing.


I'm an American, English is my second language...

Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#111 - 2012-05-18 14:36:57 UTC
Metal Icarus wrote:
If you think goons are killing Eve why don't you quit whining and join a nullsec alliance that hates goons. (there are quite a few)



What happened to the Sandbox ?

Sounds like calls for every one to be in lockstep synch here.

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900

Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#112 - 2012-05-18 14:38:12 UTC
Singoth wrote:
It is the inaction of non-goons that goons are killing EVE.

Don't blame goons for what they are doing.
Blame yourself for not doing anything against them.


Not that I don't like goons. They're cool. But seriously, less yappin', more zappin' would be healthy for everyone.



Go ahead Big Boy.

We'll sit here and watch this 'not end well' for you personally.

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900

Metal Icarus
Wraithguard.
The Wraithguard.
#113 - 2012-05-18 14:39:15 UTC
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Jita burn, Hulkageddon V etc etc etc

17th of may, server didn't break 37 thousand online, never have I seen that before since started playing about 3 years ago.

We live in interesting event horizons What?


Its a sandbox, the Goons are the "arch enemy", unlike other crappy games, we have a real enemy, not some lame NPCs with scripted AI you can learn watching a YouTube vid.


It's a good thing.




A good thing? An MMO where players are actual insane monolithic enemies that the NPCs like sansha only wish they could be?

Honestly, its what makes Eve, EVE.
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#114 - 2012-05-18 14:39:17 UTC
Zakuak wrote:


Goons have nothing to do with this.



Ah. The fresh Spring-like scent of Delusion and Denial.

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900

Zakuak
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#115 - 2012-05-18 14:45:47 UTC
There Fab, I gave you a like for that heheh
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#116 - 2012-05-18 15:19:48 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Yes. Because D3 is an abysmal failure and no-one is playing it.


And before that it was skyrim.

A restaurant I worked in around 10 years ago, that was a weekly ritual. "We are dead because it's a long weekend" "We are dead because something is going on over town" We always had an excuse. Right up until they closed the doors we had excuses. We knew better, we also knew there really wasn't much we could do about it.

No, I don't think EVE will be shut down in a year but misery loves company and stagnation breeds misery. Sorry, CCP I have no magic rainbow. If I come up with something I will share.


excuses are like assholes

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2012-05-18 16:06:23 UTC
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Zakuak wrote:


Goons have nothing to do with this.



Ah. The fresh Spring-like scent of Delusion and Denial.



Lol.

Besides the obvious hate and scape goating, one must seriously realize that Goons arent the only powerblock in the game.

We play it within its rules.

If people dont like it, they just need to shoot us down, instead of hiding its heads under the sand.

If afraid to do anything against what you perceive as "Evil", you can chose to either move away to other regions (goons reside in only 1 region, after all) and never encounter us. Or you can cry on forums.

Your choice, its a sandbox after all.

Not sure what people are crying for here.

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Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#118 - 2012-05-18 16:28:22 UTC
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Zakuak wrote:
Goons have nothing to do with this.

Ah. The fresh Spring-like scent of Delusion and Denial.

luv2deni

delud-erryday

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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#119 - 2012-05-18 17:06:36 UTC
Despite Skyrim, SWtOR, and now Diablo 3, all of which I played...and still play, I still have managed to find time to play EvE...and even do a fair bit of mining lately.

I think the difference is in all those other games you are constantly having to actively play; your hands are always busy controlling your character. In EvE, particularly with mining, there's hands free time you can use to browse the market, plan your next move, read some forums, peruze your assets, set up manufacturing jobs and so on.

It's one thing I really love about EvE...you have complete control over the pacing of your gameplay, generally speaking.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2012-05-18 17:19:03 UTC
Weyuun wrote:
Takseen wrote:
Weyuun wrote:

Seriously.. why would I pay for a game that I can't play for a whole month during the year... because if I try to play in the way I would prefer too.. I will only die, and be worse of than not playing at all?


I'd love to do the level 4 epic arcs in an untanked Megathron with a full rack of magstabs. But if I try to play in the way I prefer, I will only die. I guess the only alternative is to not do the level 4 epic arcs.

Edit : And unsub with my 47 accounts of course.



Respectfully, Takseen.. I don't understand your point?.....

Are you saying that if I can't mine.. I should do some other activity?.. My point was.. I PREFER to mine.. its (usually) a relatively peacefull.. slow but profitable activity.. I mine in Hi-Sec.. 0.7 space, I do everything to try to be safe.. and still.. some teenager comes along and blows my ship out from under me. What I mean to say.. is that, for true "Carebear" play style players like me.. we are only punished, as things stand now.. I feel there should be a place in the game for all playstyles.. and making it impossilble (or uneconomical) to gank miners in high sec.. would solve this problem.

I'm a lilttle tired of the attitude of derision that people who don't PvP are subjected to in the game, its so narrow minded.



Ah right, here's what I was getting at. I like to do an activity, level 4 epic arcs. To do these successfully, I need to fit my ship a certain way. In this case, strapping on a hefty tank to keep up with the ludicrous dps elite battleships can do to something with a Megathron's sig radius. I also have to pay attention to my armor and warp out if things get dicey.
If I wanted a more relaxed pve experience, I would take a sentry or ogre Domi, drop it in a level 4 mission, go afk and come back when the drones have killed everything.

If you also want a more relaxed mining experience, you'd be better off flying a Retriever or Covetor, or even a battleship in a 0.9 or 1.0 system(they have belts, right?) to ensure minimum Concord response time.
If you want to step it up a bit by taking an untanked Hulk into a 0.5-0.7 system, you need to take a bit more care.