Player Features and Ideas Discussion

sh*tty idea.

consensual pvp is too un-eve.

better idea:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=110149&find=unread

To un eve, eve is pretty dead in terms of pvp, roaming isnt what it use to be no one fights, this would be for people who actually want to fight without using a falcon alt or blobbing or want time out from 0.0 politics, and would actually be quite fun like mini alliance tournament you saying that the AT is ****** and boring far from it...

You are right, I posted before checking up your alliance ticker. So, you say PL needs arenas with ship size limits to help with l33t habit of killing noobs in frigs? Maybe just simply don't do it instead?

Maybe I should, who knows where I go next time I log in.

Being far more experienced and seasoned player than me you should know that falcon faggotry would be perfectly nerfed or maybe even eliminated if boosters had to be on grid to apply their boosts. Arenas, separate instances of pvp places - that sounds quite like some other MMO, I forgot a name right now...

I totaly agree with the idea of consensual pvp. Not sure about the lowsec arena, but in EVE pvp is always a important subject, but it has a terrible pvp enviorment.


And you know, there are always people that want EVE to be the same game as it was when it was born. People, you sucks. EVE should envolve, and things like consensual PVP is all EVE need now to grow pvp specially for those who are starting the game now.


And before the haters start to hate, this idea is something that can work for duels and fair battle. Most people that says somethings about this to be un-eve is someone that fits in one of these categories:
a) You have an active corp, with member doing pvp, helping with support each other, logi and things like that, and most times you only kill noobs using an unfair advantage, like friends and logi.
b) You ate player with some time and a lot of sp, so you think all must be continue as always just to you keep being the king of the hill
c) You are a hater or a vintage person who doesn't like things to envolve.

But you guys forget that EVE is not made only about these people, like CCP showed in fanfest, its about 50-50 of people who love pvp and hate pvp. And this is due the fact that the game lacks of a fair gameplay in pvp. There are these kind of player too:
a) People who doesn't have friends to do pvp with (with is no guarantee since if you find 3 player nothing guarantee that you are going to make a 3vs3 fight)
b) People who plays from time to time and just want to fit a ship and see if it can handle other ship
c) People who doenst have time to wait until some pvp action to happen (sometimes it really sucks how much you need to wait until discover that the fight you thought was going to happen is just another unfair battle against 5 ships, with logi support, etc)

There are many other situations, but you get my point.

I really believe lowsec, nullsec and all elements that exists today in PvP should continue, but new things should exists too.

I will just give you a simple example and will use my case. Im just a miner, an industrial guy, mostly because PvP need fleets, sync with people and friends online time, and mostly time lucky. Is hard to do solo pvp and is very hard to win a fight when you are alone and against 2 or 3 ships, specially if you have a 1-2 years char. Some times I just wanna to fit a ship and fight someone, a duel, one vs one, without friends or any **** like that, but how so if EVE players are mostly not trustable.

So you will say, like I heard many times before "go to high sec and jet a can", okay if at least that guarantee any fairplay, but it wont, you jet a can and maybe you are just being a bait while you corp friends waits to arrive and do a 10vs1 fight, or maybe the other guy has a logi ship to help, etc etc.

I believe in the ideia that if a friend is being attacked you should be able to help him, like in a park fight, but a consensual fight isnt like a fight in a park, is more like a fight in an arena, a place that will guarantee the fair battle.

oh, and I almost forget to mention, but lets no forget that when you jet a can you have always the advantage of the first shoot. Well, do you really thing jetcan is the best engine to PvP?


EVE is cool, but it should have more space for those who doesn't participate of huge corps, or doesn't have friend to do PvP along.

And guys, I pay for EVE every month like many others and Im tired of everytime I try to do some pvp like a 1vs1 fight knowing that I will finish being destroyed by a gang of people. That is what keeps me out from PvP, and I'm pretty sure is the same reason others doesn't do it neither.


regards
PS: my english is terrible and I know, so **** off.

I thought FW was EVE's consensual warfare.

That will keep happening. But why the hell not add one more option, like the option to do a 1vs1 fight in hight sec where only those 1vs1 (or 2vs2, 3vs3 maybe it should exist only to small or solo fights) will be fighting, someone is still going to loose as usual, but is a way avoid the unfair possibility in this cases. Is the idea of multiplayer in close number.

Imagine that I have 1hour to play eve, and just want to go fit a ship and fight with other player and see who wins then go to work? Now this isnt possible, I need to fit a ship, find friends, roam, gatecamp, or jetcan, and this gives you a so many possibilities sometimes you sit waiting for hours and when you fight you are always in unfair advantage and will probalbe loose if do it solo. So in the end you don't do it, and you pass 1hour in a boring game in EVE. With that possibility would incentivating to player to do pvp, not because of the risk of loosing, must because knowing is a 1vs1 fight without the possibility of other geting into it will incentivate people to fight and test their skills.

Its something I think many peoples would enjoy and the pvp was going to growth to the roof. Not just because of these 1vs1 fights, but because player would risk more and fear less going into lowsec, etc.

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I'm not sure if a system like that would do something harm to the overall PvP, since its limited to solo (which I sitll think makes sense, is nothing more than an evolution to the jetcan system to direct confront) still will have player going in lowsec/nullsec for the same reasons that do today, the difference was going to be in the other playing mass, that are not pvpers but would like to do 1vs1 matches time from time, just for fun, to see who win. The other hardcore players Im pretty sure was going to keep flying in lowsec with they group, etc.

no. Jetcan isn't the same. The other guy can have help, you the owner of the can and your entire corp can help.

As I`m finishing writing this I may say it took me 3 hours in highsec until someone gets my can for a 1vs1 battle. You see that this screw the point where I can just come and have a nice play in 30min, a nice 1vs1 battle againt a real person, and not just doing some dummy mission to pass the time.


Okay, all you guys like to make rf comparassion with EVE, so what about that, in rl if you wanna fight you still can without breaking the rules, and without letting others to interfere, in EVE this option doesn't exist, and looking by the game industry side, what the hell, its suppose to be a mmorpg, they are all the time filling our balls with the PvP talk, with the "we need more player mimimi" and nothing is really being done to make PvP more attractive, so I think arena style battle are all justified.

The test servers are great, but Im not talking about 100ISK items, Im not even talking about risk. Im talking about a little way to have some fairplay, some place where people may gather to fight direct battles. Outside this place, outside this little place the rest is the same, and player still can wardec, still can roam, gatecamp, fleet battle, gank, etc. Its not a constraint but a way to engage people in battle, without the need of having a lot of logistics schematics, or syncing game play with friends and not having the need of waiting to get lucky until the time to go arrive.


Highsec canflip is something very frustrating, so stop trying to make this a very solid thing because it is not, wherever you like or not, if someone want to do a match in 30 minutes against another player ship, going into lowsec isn't the same, and if you even try to do that and find a good and fair fight in 30 minutes in low sec or you will go to bed without fighting or you will 99,99% of the time getting ganked. That is how things work in EVE and I`m pretty sure I'm not the only one who desire to have more pvp but with more rules implied.

Using jetcan to make highsec battle is like a workaround, a can is made to place things inside, I don't want to be a criminal to be able to duel with someone, that is just dumb.

You all look a bounch of religious guy that everytime someone says something about PvP in EVE you guys have the same excuse "in EVE is this way, and should stay this way forever because god want this way" or even worse "so go play other game, get out of EVE, my precious". But sorry, you guys may want this way, but CCP is trying to encourage new comers, and this Im pretty sure could fuel this up.




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That's beauty of Eve pvp - you never know what you are up against.



So do sth yourself, organize in-corp duel, ask neighboring corps for series of 1v1 deathmatch or 3v3 or whatever. Eve is suppose to be player driven so drive baby, drive!



Eve is different and that's why for many ppl it is the only game they play. They just have everything they want in that one game. Not everything is perfect but still, it's better than anything else can offer. You want arenas you know where to go - basically anywhere outside of Eve.