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Josef Djugashvilis
#41 - 2012-05-18 07:44:13 UTC
Once again, goon alt starting 'goons are killing Eve thread' to keep the goons in the spotlight?

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knulla
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-05-18 07:44:27 UTC
Goons killing EVE? If anything it is the opposite.

 [u]Malice Redeemer[/u] - "Post if you are unsubing over the new inventory"  Posted: 2012.05.23 01:39

    lol
Weyuun
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-05-18 07:49:33 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Weyuun wrote:

Seriously.. why would I pay for a game that I can't play for a whole month during the year... because if I try to play in the way I would prefer too.. I will only die, and be worse of than not playing at all?


I'd love to do the level 4 epic arcs in an untanked Megathron with a full rack of magstabs. But if I try to play in the way I prefer, I will only die. I guess the only alternative is to not do the level 4 epic arcs.

Edit : And unsub with my 47 accounts of course.



Respectfully, Takseen.. I don't understand your point?.....

Are you saying that if I can't mine.. I should do some other activity?.. My point was.. I PREFER to mine.. its (usually) a relatively peacefull.. slow but profitable activity.. I mine in Hi-Sec.. 0.7 space, I do everything to try to be safe.. and still.. some teenager comes along and blows my ship out from under me. What I mean to say.. is that, for true "Carebear" play style players like me.. we are only punished, as things stand now.. I feel there should be a place in the game for all playstyles.. and making it impossilble (or uneconomical) to gank miners in high sec.. would solve this problem.

I'm a lilttle tired of the attitude of derision that people who don't PvP are subjected to in the game, its so narrow minded.
Danfen Fenix
#44 - 2012-05-18 07:52:03 UTC
I'd be willing to bet a few have also gone to play DayZ for a bit (Arma 2 mod which has launched it to the current top seller on steam P ).

So yeah...

Diablo 3
Arma 2 DayZ
Miners sitting out until Hulka is over (afterall, that is what we tell them to do right?)


Come back after hulkageddon is finished (may 29th), and not at a time with big releases, and then give us the doomsday stats
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#45 - 2012-05-18 07:58:38 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Roime wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:

Five thousand 300 million isk Hulks dead and all the victims just bounced back happy as ever...........right...

Im not saying ban griefing, just saying put yourself into a miner's shoes, many hulks have 200mil rigs, so 500 mil down the drain by a little tek 1 ship, who's gonna be hurrying back to play Roll


I bet those T2 rigs were not for tank.





Nothing will help the "wet paperbag" hulk against a couple of alpha strikers, we all know that.


Nothing will help a million EHP Damnation against enough alpha either.

Untanked hulks are getting chewed (not alpha'd) down by destroyers in .7 and .8 systems. Putting a DCII and a shield tank (with extenders) and a Logi in belt will significantly increase the cost to gank because Alpha ganks are more expensive than DPS ganks.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Shian Yang
#46 - 2012-05-18 08:08:34 UTC
Weyuun wrote:
Are you saying that if I can't mine.. I should do some other activity?.. My point was.. I PREFER to mine.. its (usually) a relatively peacefull.. slow but profitable activity.. I mine in Hi-Sec.. 0.7 space, I do everything to try to be safe.. and still.. some teenager comes along and blows my ship out from under me. What I mean to say.. is that, for true "Carebear" play style players like me.. we are only punished, as things stand now.. I feel there should be a place in the game for all playstyles.. and making it impossilble (or uneconomical) to gank miners in high sec.. would solve this problem.

I'm a lilttle tired of the attitude of derision that people who don't PvP are subjected to in the game, its so narrow minded.


Greetings capsuleer,

Derision? I did not see any. Apart perhaps from your near constant references to teenagers, children and so forth as if some fool would entrust a ship worth a million ISK to a juvenile capsuleer? What madness!

If you feel derision though, t would be because you are behaving like a bleating sheep.

"I would prefer"
"My way"
"I can't"

Come now.

Why should your choices be enforced on other capsuleers? Pirates will always attack vulnerable, valuable targets even in high security space. Exercise your options to defeat them, just as they are exercising their options to blow your ship to space dust. Imagine the satisfaction when you have managed to turn the tables on them ...

You are a god. An immortal capsuleers striding amongst the stars. Man up. Live like one.

Regards,

Shian Yang
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-05-18 08:20:06 UTC
I confirm the OP. Eve population has halved in the last 3 months. New players who refuse to buy a plex on their credit card and donate it to Goonswarm Federation are being perma banned by Goon Devs.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#48 - 2012-05-18 08:35:35 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
Greetings capsuleer,

Derision? I did not see any. Apart perhaps from your near constant references to teenagers, children and so forth as if some fool would entrust a ship worth a million ISK to a juvenile capsuleer? What madness!

If you feel derision though, t would be because you are behaving like a bleating sheep.

"I would prefer"
"My way"
"I can't"

Come now.

Why should your choices be enforced on other capsuleers? Pirates will always attack vulnerable, valuable targets even in high security space. Exercise your options to defeat them, just as they are exercising their options to blow your ship to space dust. Imagine the satisfaction when you have managed to turn the tables on them ...

You are a god. An immortal capsuleers striding amongst the stars. Man up. Live like one.

Regards,

Shian Yang

Dear Capsuleer,

He has an eternity. He wants an eternity of mining. We were happy to allow this. He clarified he wanted an eternity of mining peacefully.

Negotiations had to be broken off at that point.


With a T2 Catalyst alt,

~Ala

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#49 - 2012-05-18 08:51:20 UTC
Id just like to add, last night I logged on my empire mining alt, probed down a hidden belt and mined it happily for 2 hours while messing around on the net so semi afk mining, in hisec. Didnt see a soul. Didnt get ganked, made about 25 million isk.
Is that so very hard to do to stay safe during the only real time of risk? When hulkaggedon isnt on I do full on afk mining while I do housework, stuff with my kids etc. I have never been ganked. Am I doing it wrong?

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-05-18 08:59:07 UTC
Goons cause drama
Eve is drama
Goons make eve


However much I dislike them, there needs to be oposing forces in eve so that there's war and haterd amonst the players.
Imagine if all the football teams decided that everyone was just as good as each other and that it'd be much nicer if they just had a jog round the field followed by a BBQ, nice as that may be, it'd be a much less interesting game.
Weyuun
Perkone
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-05-18 08:59:12 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Shian Yang wrote:
Greetings capsuleer,

Derision? I did not see any. Apart perhaps from your near constant references to teenagers, children and so forth as if some fool would entrust a ship worth a million ISK to a juvenile capsuleer? What madness!

If you feel derision though, t would be because you are behaving like a bleating sheep.

"I would prefer"
"My way"
"I can't"

Come now.

Why should your choices be enforced on other capsuleers? Pirates will always attack vulnerable, valuable targets even in high security space. Exercise your options to defeat them, just as they are exercising their options to blow your ship to space dust. Imagine the satisfaction when you have managed to turn the tables on them ...

You are a god. An immortal capsuleers striding amongst the stars. Man up. Live like one.

Regards,

Shian Yang

Dear Capsuleer,

He has an eternity. He wants an eternity of mining. We were happy to allow this. He clarified he wanted an eternity of mining peacefully.

Negotiations had to be broken off at that point.


With a T2 Catalyst alt,

~Ala


Lol.. Alavaria... at least you were able to communicate your point with humour... and Shian.. I'm not trying to enforce my opinion on anyone.. nore am I bleating.. merely trying to communicate the frustrations of a Carebear style player, to an unbalanced inequity. Fancy words aside.. there are plenty of areas where miners can be ganked if they want to risk the better mineral deposits.. what Im proposing is that we make high sec space (say 0.7 and up) a much more expensive ganking field. You could still gank, if that's what you choose to do.. it will just cost you more than you stand to make. That way, there is room for a miner/high sec playstyle. I dont mind being ganked occasionally.. it's being constantly killed and unable to earn enough to cover the costs.. which is turning me away from this otherwise interesting game.

Shian.. "why should my choice be enforced on other players"... lol.. I dont have the power to enforce anything on anyone, but neither should you :)
Shian Yang
#52 - 2012-05-18 09:02:15 UTC
Weyuun wrote:
what Im proposing is that we make high sec space (say 0.7 and up) a much more expensive ganking field


Weyuun wrote:
lol.. I dont have the power to enforce anything on anyone, but neither should you :)


Greetings capsuleer,

...

Regards,

Shian Yang
Weyuun
Perkone
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-05-18 09:07:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Weyuun
Hi again Shian :)

Again,

It's a proposition... an idea, which if enough people agreed, might gain some credibility.. if not enough people agreed, the idea would die a natural death... in such ways.. progress can be made sometimes.

I do not see any apparent contradiction in this request. I belive you do, though, as you have quoted my two statements.. that is your right.

hmm.. incidently.. you asked me in an above post to "exercise my options to defeat them" (the pirates who gank miners in high sec).. Im curious.. for a high sec miner.. what options would those be?.. its kinda my point, you see.. that a carebear player.. who doesnt PvP.. has no other options.. thus... the inequity.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#54 - 2012-05-18 09:07:33 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Weyuun wrote:


Lol.. Alavaria... at least you were able to communicate your point with humour... and Shian.. I'm not trying to enforce my opinion on anyone.. nore am I bleating.. merely trying to communicate the frustrations of a Carebear style player, to an unbalanced inequity. Fancy words aside.. there are plenty of areas where miners can be ganked if they want to risk the better mineral deposits.. what Im proposing is that we make high sec space (say 0.7 and up) a much more expensive ganking field. You could still gank, if that's what you choose to do.. it will just cost you more than you stand to make. That way, there is room for a miner/high sec playstyle. I dont mind being ganked occasionally.. it's being constantly killed and unable to earn enough to cover the costs.. which is turning me away from this otherwise interesting game.

Shian.. "why should my choice be enforced on other players"... lol.. I dont have the power to enforce anything on anyone, but neither should you :)



I'm down with that proposal. Limit mining ships in .7 and higher Sec systems to those that cannot be economically ganked when T2 fit. That leaves... Rokhs, and... well Rokhs really. Without some sort of making CONCORD read people's minds, this is the only way to make your proposal happen.

There you go, ganking in your "Gank-Free Haven" Space is now unprofitable. You can still mine, if that's what you choose to do... it will just cost you some yield to do it. That way, there's room for a reason to mine in normal High Sec.

Anyway, 1.0 Space has a fast Concord Spawn and probably will keep you safe from Catalyst ganks (the most profitable kind) if you tank your Hulk (this means Buffer, not Active, and fit a dang DCII).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp
#55 - 2012-05-18 09:12:46 UTC
Francisco Bizzaro wrote:
Correlation does not imply causation.


This.

Other incidents I recognized that correlated with the number of EVE players the last days:
- number of muffins I have eaten over the day (positive correlation)
- number of times Madonna is mentioned in the news (negative correlation)
- number of times I have spilled coffee over the keyboard (strong negative correlation)

Further research is needed to show which of those are not only correlated, but actually are the cause for the number of EVE players.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#56 - 2012-05-18 09:14:45 UTC
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:
Francisco Bizzaro wrote:
Correlation does not imply causation.


This.

Other incidents I recognized that correlated with the number of EVE players the last days:
- number of muffins I have eaten over the day (positive correlation)
- number of times Madonna is mentioned in the news (negative correlation)
- number of times I have spilled coffee over the keyboard (strong negative correlation)

Further research is needed to show which of those are not only correlated, but actually are the cause for the number of EVE players.


I'll put my money on Madonna.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Weyuun
Perkone
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-05-18 09:20:15 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Weyuun wrote:


Lol.. Alavaria... at least you were able to communicate your point with humour... and Shian.. I'm not trying to enforce my opinion on anyone.. nore am I bleating.. merely trying to communicate the frustrations of a Carebear style player, to an unbalanced inequity. Fancy words aside.. there are plenty of areas where miners can be ganked if they want to risk the better mineral deposits.. what Im proposing is that we make high sec space (say 0.7 and up) a much more expensive ganking field. You could still gank, if that's what you choose to do.. it will just cost you more than you stand to make. That way, there is room for a miner/high sec playstyle. I dont mind being ganked occasionally.. it's being constantly killed and unable to earn enough to cover the costs.. which is turning me away from this otherwise interesting game.

Shian.. "why should my choice be enforced on other players"... lol.. I dont have the power to enforce anything on anyone, but neither should you :)



I'm down with that proposal. Limit mining ships in .7 and higher Sec systems to those that cannot be economically ganked when T2 fit. That leaves... Rokhs, and... well Rokhs really. Without some sort of making CONCORD read people's minds, this is the only way to make your proposal happen.

There you go, ganking in your "Gank-Free Haven" Space is now unprofitable. You can still mine, if that's what you choose to do... it will just cost you some yield to do it. That way, there's room for a reason to mine in normal High Sec.

Anyway, 1.0 Space has a fast Concord Spawn and probably will keep you safe from Catalyst ganks (the most profitable kind) if you tank your Hulk (this means Buffer, not Active, and fit a dang DCII).



Thankyou for a constructive and non-abusive contribution to this thread, Ruby. Least-ways.. that's how I'm taking it (it is kinda fun to make fun of people when they don't get that you are making fun of them.. almost like... ganking a defenseless miner in high sec ;)
Heinrich Rotwang
Spectre Fleet Corporation
#58 - 2012-05-18 09:26:18 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Eve is dieing again? Again!?!?!? Why wont it stay dead!


Now, if only CCP would port EVE to FreeBSD, I could finally run a dying game on my favorite dying OS. Zombiefest ftw!
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#59 - 2012-05-18 09:32:14 UTC
A lot of gankers don't do it for the profit (though you can occasionally get lucky). they do it for the lulz. or the tears. or both!

A few tips to help keep you safe:

1) if you know there's a crusade against mining ships, fit CHEAPLY! Covetors are a step down, yes, but cost roughly 3x less than a Hulk. Or Retrievers go for what, 10m these days? Yeah, you won't mine as much, but if/when you get suicide ganked, you won't lose as much money!

2) Avoid (T2) rigs. Why are you making a 500M Pinata? That's painting a target on the hull. Hell, if I knew someone in my local area of space had a 500M Hulk sitting defenseless in a belt, I'd probably go get a Catalyst or Thrasher. And I've never suicide ganked anyone in my life.

3) Keep Aligned. If you wanna Jetcan/Orca mine, align and then stop once you're aligned. This just means you need to get up to speed to warp out.

3.5) Warp Core Stabilisers if you think that someone might come after you, it wouldn't hurt to pop in a couple of WCS on your 500M Pinata. If it's an Alpha gank, you're screwed, but maybe, JUST MAYBE you'll make that ship that costs as much as a month's game time get the hell out of dodge before it's too late.

4) Spam the D-Scan. If you are mining during Hulkageddon and see either a Thrasher or a Catalyst getting close to you (2-300km out), warp off. If it's a false alarm, they'll probably move on pretty fast. if it's not, you just saved your HALF A BILLION ISK ship from destruction.

5) HTFU. if you mine during Hulkageddon and get ganked (or any other time of the year), remember it's just a game, and don't whine about it in local/on the forums. you're just feeding the trolls. And we find your tears so VERY Delicious. On second thought, make epic threadnaughts full of carebear tears about how a big meany in a 1M ISK ship blew up your PLEX-equivalent Pinata and ruined your day.
Weyuun
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-05-18 09:40:03 UTC
Lol.. Himnos....

Well spoken