Science & Industry

The isk you'd get is not worth the risk of getting it popped. T2 cargo expanders are expensive compared to the yield of that thing.

not worth it.
go for missions and buy minerals instead.

Mine properly and at the keyboard or don't mine at all. Even when Hulkageddon ends, anyone seeing a hauler mining will know you are afk and can gank you easily, especially since there is a chance they'll get a bunch of free mined ore out of the deal and have a hauler of their own nearby to scoop it.

If you are looking for afk passive income, dive into PI. Much less risky.

I actually switched from mission running to mining. I like the idea of doing the same thing every time, as sad as that may sound to some. I don't like too much variation in the way I try to make some isk. Even the little travel, and different types of objectives are too much for me. Leave the variation to when, and if, I start to PvP. Or maybe I'll end up switching back to mission running, but right now, my main focus is mining



I've already calculated the profit I'll be making and concluded that I'd be able to easily replace my ship within a few nights of afk-mining if it were to be ganked. And that's with afk-farming! I'd be able to replace it with active-mining if it were ganked every day, and still make a profit! I predict that I won't be ganked so often because of my location even with Hulkageddon going on, and if that's not true, then it's a lesson learned, right? With not too big of a loss at all. But your point on using the T1 expanded cargoholds to keep the cost down is really helpful. Cuts the ship price almost in half, with not too bad of a cargo space loss (17k-12k). In fact, this is even better than my current fit because now I only need 34k Plagioclase to fill up my cargo, and like I said before, that's about how big the asteroids are where I'm mining. Now, if I were to get popped with a full cargo ( using T1 expanded cargoholds), I'd only lose about 4.3m (2.6m for the ship and 1.7m for the ore), which is easily replaceable, and in my opinion, worth it for the profit I'll be making (1.7m per night, unganked and with 34k Plagioclase asteroids). And no, I don't have implants

I think the point of afk-mining with an Industrial is to take advantage of its exponentially larger cargo hold, albeit a much slower mining rate. Since I'm afk, the mining rate makes an insignificant difference. Active mining is a different story I use an Osprey fitted with T2 modules for that.



Look above

At the moment, I want to focus on mining. The dangers of low sec don't quite interest me yet at the moment. Thanks for the idea though! I'll let you know if I'm interested



Yes, I'm sure it is, but the so are the little peashooters those three frigates are shooting Maybe you are referring to the fact that if I'm ganked, 7.7K EHP is just about as protective as paper. I'm well aware of the fact that if I'm ganked, I'm going to lose my ship. (Look above for discussion on being ganked) I'm much more concerned about the frigates with their peashooters and if they will get through my tank with them

I wouldn't need to put in that much effort to effectively troll The numbers are there. The logic is there. It's a serious question. Am I missing something? I may only have been playing for a couple weeks, but this makes sense doesn't it? All I want to know is if this fit will be able to perma-passive tank these tiny frigates! I don't care about being ganked, making minimal isk, waste of time etc. I've taken it all into account, and want to give it a shot

Ah ok. I'll look into mining in mission belts. Especially now that I'm out in the open Noob mistake. Still learning I guess. It's a 0.5 system. A bit of a difference from .05 I wouldn't chance afk'ing in general in low sec I'm not skilled up to the Mammoth yet heh. Still another 4 days. So I was just curious. Since no one has really come up with an answer, I just did some research on my own. Guess I shouldn't expect people to actually answer my question rather than question my motives Maybe they just cared for my safety? With my skills, my passive tank HP/s is 15.2. And if you didn't already know, at 30% shields your passive regen doubles. So thats 30.4 max HP/s. The strongest frigate spawn does 9 dps. So that max DPS from a group of 3 of these is 27. The chances of three of these spawning together though is next to 0 I'd guess from past experience with belt rat spawns. The average dps from a group of three I've seen so far is about 18-20. So theoretically, I should be able to perma-passive tank these rats, correct?

I still don't understand why it's so looked down upon It's easy isk, low risk. I guess I'll start looking into PI, then. More afk isk to add onto afk-mining Since I pretty much answered my original questions (but still learned a lot of other things), I guess the rest of it is up to experimentation. Even though you guys have been less than supportive of my noobie ventures, I'll post here after I try it out in case this information could be useful to anyone.

Don't let these nay-sayers dissuade from what you want to do in this game. Yeah, it's true you won't make much every night. Peanuts really, and yeah it's only a matter of time until it gets ganked. But as long as you make more isk then you're putting into it, then go for it. I would agree with the PI though. If your looking to make isk while you sleep, look no further then PI.

You need a deadspace shield booster on that mammoth.

It's not looked down upon, it's simply a poor management of your time. If you were to spend 45-60 minutes in a retriever of all things you'd probably make as much as you would have in 4 hours of "afk mining" in a hauler. Yes, the hauler has significant cargo capacity but there is a bottleneck between that big ole cardboard box floating in space and the tiny little hand dropping what amounts to pebbles into it.

I think at one point many people think wow cargo space! mining laser! WOOHOO! and then you come to the sad realization that filling the cargo hold is an exercise in futility.