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New ship type as LP reward from FW, to be useful in other gameplay areas.

Author
Morpheus Madd
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-05-17 21:13:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Morpheus Madd
So with CCP bravely setting off to give FW a large role in EVE for everyone not involved in it, I set about brainstorming some ideas myself. Most of my ideas were junk of course (just give everyone unlimited ISK!!!) but I did churn out some ideas I felt were worth remembering and possibly even humbly submitting to the Features & Ideas forum.

Basically the Militia LP stores should sell a ship that is unavailable anywhere else, and provides a function that no other SINGLE ship performs. That is the role of a "Silent Hunter".

The ship needs three main features, it must be "silent" (cloak), it must hunt (probe), and it must be capable of killing what it finds (within reason Blink, DPS). The cloak and probe are easy enough to give bonuses for, the last part basically just means that the ship should be a BC (popular for solo/small gang pvp that a cloaked hunter would look for)

How each militia achieves these isn't of immediate concern, but I did plan out an example ship as I envisioned the Caldari might design. As well as a role-play reason why the ships are only available through LP seen in the ships description and pretty much identical to why any navy issue ships are only available through LP.

Oversized weapons are not really needed, I just choose to design the ship around them since I think they're awesome.

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Laelaps

Named after a creature fated to always catch its prey, the Laelaps is the first and last word in Search-and-Destroy operations. The Caldari military designed the Laelaps to use Torpedo weaponry to quickly destroy it's target once found before silently fading away into the darkness of space.

Although the Laelaps excelled in military trials, it's manufacturing price reduced it to a rare prototype for testing advanced cloaking and weapons technologies. Only occasionally is one given to accomplished members of the State Militia. The few ships that have made it out of the Caldari design labs and into the hands of pilots have ironically been used both for hunting down prey, and becoming the pirate ships they're supposed to destroy.

Slots - 8 / 7 / 3 (6 Launchers) or 7 / 7 / 4 (5 Launchers) ... or 8/7/4 :)

Shields 2600 0 / 30 / 40 / 50
Armor 1200 50 / 55 / 25 / 10
Structure 1400

Role Bonus: 99.5% reduction in CPU need of Cloak Modules, 80% reduction in Probe Launcher CPU need, 95% reduction in powergrid need of Cruise/Torpedo Launchers, 50% reduction in CPU need of Cruise/Torpedo Launchers.

50% Reduction in Sensor Recalibration after cloak.

Battlecruiser: 10% Cruise Missile and Torpedo velocity bonus and 5% Cruise Missile and Torpedo explosion velocity per level.

Recon Ships: 10% bonus to probe scan strength and 7.5% bonus to Target Painter Effectiveness per level

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So with this, it should reach a max EHP of about 50k and a max DPS of about 660 (with 2x Caldari Navy BCS + DC II ) or 750 DPS with 3xCaldari Navy BCS.

Q: How does this not clearly overlap with a Stealth Bomber?
A:First, this was just an example, I chose to use Torpedos partly to see if a decent looking ship could be made with them as a primary weapon system. It's not like silent hunters MUST use them. I could see the gallente one actually being more of a rail + drones style with longer point, using the new drone damage mods with a drone HP/Damage ship bonus. But yes, the part about both of them looking for good targets is the same, what a good target is changes drastically in a large ship that costs a lot more to replace. (Should I even try to kill that BS, no, He'll probably destroy my tank too quickly. But that drake looks like a tasty target and hey... one less drake, right?)

Also Stealth Bombers get a huge alpha with their bombs, followed by 550ish DPS with torpedos, not bad, but they're also fragile and rely on range and speed to manage any return fire. This ship is much larger and doesn't have to same range bonuses as an SB.

Q: You mentioned in the title of this thread that it would have roles outside of FW, what do you see it being used for?
A: Wormholes come to mind, with good DPS, a (barely) survivable tank for PvP, a cloak, and a scanner all in one ship, you could go into a worm hole by yourself for PvP, choose a target, and leave when you're done with no further planning... Or you could be killed.

Low/Null-Sec also comes to mind for a roaming gang (mostly lowsec) but if you're not taking advantage of the cloak, there are much cheaper ships that will do better, like the Talos or the Hurricane.

Q: Almost sounds like you want a ship that can do everything.
A: That wasn't a question, but I won't deny it either. Still such a ship would be boring, this clearly has limits once an enemy is found. It might take him out, but sometimes it really is just better to switch to a different (cheaper) ship. The advantage here is that in enemy space, you have your scanner with you, online without needing an alt or fleetmate dedicated to scanning.

Q: Oh yeah, you said the ship would be expensive. How expensive are you talking?
A: For a ship that amounts to a faction T2 BC? I'd think in the 350-450mil area, depending on what people think their LP is worth in the militia.


Does it suck? Do we need to stay away from any new ships? Do you think that major LP rewards that are unique to FW and desired outside of FW are a bad idea? Is the example ship overpowered or do you have a different idea for the ships role.
If you have any comments on the idea please leave them in between the inevitable flames and complaints that I clearly have no idea what I'm talking about. But if you don't like the idea, at least say why, otherwise you haven't helped, or convinced others to hate the idea too. Smile

PS: I can't stop thinking that the Laelaps looks like the Seraphim in my mind (concept art CCP based the Talos off of)
Morpheus Madd
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-05-17 21:15:18 UTC
TL;DR, new ship type that is only available through FW LP stores as added incentive to work in FW on top of the changes CCP has already been planning.