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Plex for Skillpoints (sort of) idea
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Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-10-01 18:29:48 UTC
I propose we allow Aurum/PLEX to be used to allow 2 skill queues to be active at once on the same account.

Suppose I want to have an alt, but i don't want to deal with two subscriptions, or merging/splitting two characters into the same/different accounts, and I don't intend to dual box.

I just want an alt I can log in as with a few months of skills trained, for when my main is being station camped or waiting for some timer to expire, and I don't want to delay my main's training for a few months....

Why not let me use a plex or three for a month or three of dual skill queue training, and avoid the complications of a second account?
Mirima Thurander
#2 - 2011-10-02 00:59:52 UTC
Thats no different than paying for a 2nd account.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-10-02 02:33:54 UTC
It is.

#1) I don't have to payfor/use additional plex each month to use the character, I only have to pay/use plex to increase the characters SP simultaneously with my main.

#1a) If I make a second account, and train it for a few months, but I hit a plateau where I'm content to stop training and I don't want to spend more per month on it, I'd still have to pay a fee to merge the character with my main account

#2) I can't dual box, as only one of the characters can be logged on at any given time.
Raw Matters
Brilliant Starfire
#4 - 2011-10-02 06:17:44 UTC
Aurum and Skill in the same sentence = no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

Got me?
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#5 - 2011-10-02 08:04:12 UTC
I disagree with this idea as with any pay to win.

Simply put youll start having corproations that forces players to pay with real money or equivlanet (ie you must donate the allaince a plex a month.) sort of game play and that would be absolutely unfair.

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Anshu Zephyran
Knavery Inc.
#6 - 2011-10-02 18:36:37 UTC
I think most of the people posting didn't bother to read beyond the title of the thread. In fairness, the title "Plex for skillpoints" is fairly inflammatory.

Personally I have no problem with being able to pay PLEX/AUR in order to enable a second (or third) skill queue on a given account. Nobody tries to say that having a second account is "paying to win"; this is mostly like that, except that you can stop paying for the training when the alt is where you want them to be, balanced out by the fact that you can't have both characters logged in at once.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#7 - 2011-10-02 21:30:12 UTC
Stop posting.
Havak Kouvo
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-10-02 21:40:37 UTC
Arum cannot every effect game-play and balance in ANY way, EVER!
Havak Kouvo
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-10-02 21:41:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Havak Kouvo
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2011-10-03 00:09:22 UTC
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#11 - 2011-10-03 00:45:06 UTC
Raw Matters wrote:
Aurum and Skill in the same sentence = no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

Got me?


Not empty quoting.

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Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-10-03 01:16:17 UTC
While I think this idea is dumb, it's no dumber than the string of stupid fucks who didn't actually read the OP.

Spoiler: He's literally suggesting buying a second account, except not being able to dualbox it.
Anshu Zephyran
Knavery Inc.
#13 - 2011-10-03 03:00:05 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
While I think this idea is dumb, it's no dumber than the string of stupid fucks who didn't actually read the OP.

Spoiler: He's literally suggesting buying a second account, except not being able to dualbox it.


Finally someone else who knows how to read.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#14 - 2011-10-03 03:14:48 UTC
No.

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Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-10-03 05:41:59 UTC
Anshu Zephyran wrote:
Mfume Apocal wrote:
While I think this idea is dumb, it's no dumber than the string of stupid fucks who didn't actually read the OP.

Spoiler: He's literally suggesting buying a second account, except not being able to dualbox it.


Finally someone else who knows how to read.


Yea... I'm thinking I chose the title poorly.

Its not literally buying a 2nd account - the alt does not need monthly upkeep to use.
Its somewhere between a single account, and a second account.


I'd like to train a 2nd character on this same account, and I've got several PLEXs from running incursions, but I don't want to commit to the upkeep of a second account.
As is, I can train a 2nd character on this account already. It just means my main will stop gaining SP.

I'd like to train an alt without halting the SP gain of my main (hence the plex and skillpoint relationship).


Its quite clear some people didn't read.

What surprises me is that the people that did read are so opposed to it.
Mirak Nijoba
Gamers Corner
#16 - 2011-10-03 09:12:51 UTC
I fully agree with this idea.

1 PLEX per acct per skill queue active upto a maximum of 3 PLEX per acct.

This would do 2 things.
Increase the Money that CCP makes.
- As long as the Supply of Plex doesn't dwindle due to the new demand.
Allow players to do more in a shorter time.

Only 1 character per acct can still be logged in at any given time.

This could be bad as well.

More people could make more money doing PI and Industry faster and could kill the Eve in-game market.

However if this was made possible I would probably use 3-4 PLEX a month right away (as soon as i can afford them) and possibly upto a maximum of 9 PLEX per month.

I would then be able to have one char train for PVP while another Char trains mining without making too many different accts.

It's going to have balancing issues that need to be thought of.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-10-03 14:22:10 UTC
On the merits of the idea in and of itself, I would agree. There is no difference in cost (1 PLEX) or effect (Training Queue is active) from having a second account.

The issue I have with it is that it's really unnecessary - you get more utility (and theoretically more value) from just activating the second account and paying for it with PLEX. In theory, the second account would yield additional value, since as a new account, you could send it a buddy invitation, and get 14 free days of training that you didn't pay for at all.

tl;dr: There's nothing wrong with the idea, but it's not worth pursuing because it provides less value than the method already in the game.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-10-03 14:46:15 UTC
Addendum to the idea:
21 days of free/simultaneous training to alts on the same account, additional simultaneous training must be purchased with PLEX
: )

Note you mentioned 14 days or free training - the buddy invite system gives one a 21 day trial, not a 14 day one
Satav
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-10-03 17:44:10 UTC
How about ......... no.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-10-03 17:53:07 UTC
Kinda in a different direction, but I had suggested what if CCP allowed a player with one account, but 2 characters on that account, to pay an additional 5 dollars a month to be able to play both characters at the same time.

Now, you would still be limited to only being able to train one character at a time, but you'd be able to play both at once for another 5 dollars a month..

This would be for the players like myself that can't necissarily afford 2 seperate accounts, but for another 5 dollars run 2 characters at once off one account. Again, you would only be able to train one at a time, so you're still restricted enough to where it's fair for those who have 2 accounts.
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