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Gallente BS question- Mega Navy or the Vindy?
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Busta Annages
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-05-16 04:33:07 UTC
Hello all,

Need some insight on a choice of weapon platforms. I will be skilled up for a Vindicator in about 4 days and was comparing it to my Navy version of the Megathon that I currently have. If with a choice which one would be better for PVP? PVE?

Any comments would be helpful.....Thanks!
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#2 - 2012-05-16 04:52:03 UTC
For PvP: Vindicator

For PvE: Probably the Mega

That said, in most PvE the NPCs are rather dim so I'm sure a Vindi would technically _work_ if you really wanted.
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-05-16 07:04:39 UTC
The Vindi does more dps. If you pimp it enough to do full dmg while still having sufficient tank, it'll be the superior ship. The N-Mega is much more conservative and less likely to be ganked.
Alara IonStorm
#4 - 2012-05-16 07:08:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
The Vindi does more dps. If you pimp it enough to do full dmg while still having sufficient tank, it'll be the superior ship. The N-Mega is much more conservative and less likely to be ganked.

In PvE the navy Mega can hold a full load of sentries and smaller Drones, has farther targeting range and an extra low for a damage mod. That vs the Vindies 8 guns roughly equals out to the same damage.

For PvE the N Mega is a better boat for the cost put in with T2 Sentries. For PvP it's all Vindie all the time.
Eternal Error
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-05-16 07:16:32 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
[quote=Lunkwill Khashour]

For PvE the N Mega is a better boat for the cost put in with T2 Sentries. For PvP it's all Vindie all the time.
This.
Goran Konjich
Krompany
#6 - 2012-05-16 07:36:07 UTC
good info nonetheless ... but does anyone take Vindy to PvP ?

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#7 - 2012-05-16 07:39:13 UTC
Yeah the huge cost difference would make me sway towards the N.Mega as well, less problems with targeting range too, easier to tank, less of a gank magnet etc.

HOWEVER if you want to go balls to wall, fully pimped Vindi will outdo a N.Mega because despite the T2 Sentry argument, T2 Sentries also can be used on the Vindi and you can carry 4 and still have the flight of 5 lights which is all you need as cruisers are no problems with your sick tracking bonus, javelins tracking bonus AND bonused web.
Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-05-16 09:32:43 UTC
Goran Konjich wrote:
good info nonetheless ... but does anyone take Vindy to PvP ?


Yes, they do.

It's very situational, but the sight of a pimped Vindicator targetting you in front of a station when you suspect you won't be able to dock quickly enough, will have you asking your First Mate not only for your red shirt, but for your brown pants too.

If it gets you, it hurts. A lot.
Vandir Rael
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-05-16 10:34:17 UTC
Darius Brinn wrote:
Goran Konjich wrote:
good info nonetheless ... but does anyone take Vindy to PvP ?


Yes, they do.

It's very situational, but the sight of a pimped Vindicator targetting you in front of a station when you suspect you won't be able to dock quickly enough, will have you asking your First Mate not only for your red shirt, but for your brown pants too.

If it gets you, it hurts. A lot.

This.

The vindi is one of the most painful ships for docking games...
It sure attracts gankers, but it will obliterate whoever engages without logis
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-05-16 10:39:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
The Vindi does more dps. If you pimp it enough to do full dmg while still having sufficient tank, it'll be the superior ship. The N-Mega is much more conservative and less likely to be ganked.

In PvE the navy Mega can hold a full load of sentries and smaller Drones, has farther targeting range and an extra low for a damage mod. That vs the Vindies 8 guns roughly equals out to the same damage.

For PvE the N Mega is a better boat for the cost put in with T2 Sentries. For PvP it's all Vindie all the time.



Very much this.

Let me add this simple stuff people tend to forget: 1 more low = 1dmg mod applying to ALL the guns making your 7 guns actually hit for about 8, and this leaves you a high slot free for a heavy energy neutraliser or NOS.

Tank is about the same, resist profile about the same, overall ehp about the same, higher pg for NAVY better cap recharge for Vindi (this might as well have been changed, but difference must be small)
Top speed agillity and mass are quite similar but the advantage goes to Vindi, however the Navy 175m3 drone bay offers you a lot more options on the field.

Vindi will keep his +1 gun and a smaller drone bay but compensates with an extra 12.5% guns dmg.

The question is: for about the same tank, with the small list above of main differences and if you're going to pvp, is the vindi really worth of an extra 500M isk?

For pve Navy Mega all the time, for pvp I'd only pick Vindi with a very solid group. It's only my opinion, quite sure some will tell you to pick the vindi all day long and to fit it with officer mods.

brb
Wyte Ragnarok
#11 - 2012-05-16 10:44:48 UTC
Darius Brinn wrote:
Goran Konjich wrote:
good info nonetheless ... but does anyone take Vindy to PvP ?


Yes, they do.

It's very situational, but the sight of a pimped Vindicator targetting you in front of a station when you suspect you won't be able to dock quickly enough, will have you asking your First Mate not only for your red shirt, but for your brown pants too.

If it gets you, it hurts. A lot.


Very much so indeed this.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-05-16 11:03:25 UTC
Wyte Ragnarok wrote:
Darius Brinn wrote:
Goran Konjich wrote:
good info nonetheless ... but does anyone take Vindy to PvP ?


Yes, they do.

It's very situational, but the sight of a pimped Vindicator targetting you in front of a station when you suspect you won't be able to dock quickly enough, will have you asking your First Mate not only for your red shirt, but for your brown pants too.

If it gets you, it hurts. A lot.


Very much so indeed this.



I have to agree with this but remind you people that docking games and gate games ARE NOT Eve's pvp but the very smallest pvp form in Eve, and in what I'm concerned the stinkiest/dirtiest one because it's always a matter of targeting what you can one or two shot, everything else makes those pussies dock asap.

If it's op's game play style then yep go vindi.

brb
Busta Annages
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2012-05-16 16:32:36 UTC
Looks to me that either way I am going to be able to do some serious work in both. Didn't think about doing sentries though, I thought that would only be for a Domi. Long range or short range sentries?
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-05-16 17:22:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunkwill Khashour
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
[quote=Lunkwill Khashour]The Vindi does more dps. If you pimp it enough to do full dmg while still having sufficient tank, it'll be the superior ship. The N-Mega is much more conservative and less likely to be ganked.

Let me add this simple stuff people tend to forget: 1 more low = 1dmg mod applying to ALL the guns making your 7 guns actually hit for about 8, and this leaves you a high slot free for a heavy energy neutraliser or NOS.

Tank is about the same, resist profile about the same, overall ehp about the same, higher pg for NAVY better cap recharge for Vindi (this might as well have been changed, but difference must be small)


If you pimp your PVE tank down to 4 slots, you'll be running 3hs on the vindi and 4 on the nmega. That 4th hs is way worse than the extra turret the vindi gets. Also 90% web helps vs small frigs aswell allowing you to skip the 5 iight drones and run 5 sentries aswell. (Though I dunno if I would risk that)
TomyLobo
U2EZ
#15 - 2012-05-16 17:32:26 UTC
Vandir Rael wrote:
Darius Brinn wrote:
Goran Konjich wrote:
good info nonetheless ... but does anyone take Vindy to PvP ?


Yes, they do.

It's very situational, but the sight of a pimped Vindicator targetting you in front of a station when you suspect you won't be able to dock quickly enough, will have you asking your First Mate not only for your red shirt, but for your brown pants too.

If it gets you, it hurts. A lot.

This.

The vindi is one of the most painful ships for docking games...
It sure attracts gankers, but it will obliterate whoever engages without logis

100mn tengu says hello.
Fireflyb1
Walden 2.0
#16 - 2012-05-16 17:47:55 UTC
TomyLobo wrote:
Vandir Rael wrote:
Darius Brinn wrote:
Goran Konjich wrote:
good info nonetheless ... but does anyone take Vindy to PvP ?


Yes, they do.

It's very situational, but the sight of a pimped Vindicator targetting you in front of a station when you suspect you won't be able to dock quickly enough, will have you asking your First Mate not only for your red shirt, but for your brown pants too.

If it gets you, it hurts. A lot.

This.

The vindi is one of the most painful ships for docking games...
It sure attracts gankers, but it will obliterate whoever engages without logis

100mn tengu says hello.


You use 100mn tengu for station games? And i'm sure if you fit a couple webs and mwd on a vindi, tengu wouldn't stand a chance, if it somehow stood a chance before.
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#17 - 2012-05-16 20:54:11 UTC
FWIW, I prefer the Vindi to the Mega in missions. More damage, less sentry reliance.

I usually fly with hobos + hammers, or warriors + berserkers on these. If the mission is one where you can sit on your ass and sentry-flak things out of the sky without hurting the completion time, Navy Potato does it better anyway.
Gul'gotha Derv'ash
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-05-16 21:45:07 UTC
If you can afford to lose the Vindy almost as soon as you take it out for PvP fly it. You will have rats out the ass looking to get that 1b hull on their KM.
WhaleCommander
Caucasian Culture Club
#19 - 2012-05-17 02:02:35 UTC
Even Frigates should beware of the vindicator with its 90% webs and high tracking and dps blasters, along with its drones.

I believe you can smack frigates with 2 90% webs with Large Blasters.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-05-17 12:53:25 UTC
WhaleCommander wrote:
Even Frigates should beware of the vindicator with its 90% webs and high tracking and dps blasters, along with its drones.

I believe you can smack frigates with 2 90% webs with Large Blasters.


Regular frigates 1 web, highest velocity ones 2 and "kaboum".

Actually an insta arty cane can do the same thing, for a lot cheaper. Frig shows, frig's dead, that simple.

brb
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