Ships & Modules

Yes, I know the arguement: We have Industrials (Mammoth, Iteron, Badger, etc)... and then we have Freighters (Obelisk, Charon, etc). The best one being the Iteron Mark V with, T1 cargo rigs and T2 cargo mods, will carry a little over 38k m3.

Both have their purposes. Industrials for small, local stuff. Freighters for the HUGE thing/massive moves. They'll move over 750k m3, and that's an Obelisk with Gallente Freighter 1 skill. We have Jump freighters for, well, jumping. Of course they have a smaller cargohold than a regular freighter, makes sense.

Then we have the Industrial Command Ships (Orca and Rorqual). The Orca with T1 cargo rigs and T2 cargo mods will carry over 83k m3 cargohold and 40k m3 corporate hanger. A Rorq can be used like a JF, however, it is still limited. With T2 large cargo rigs and T2 cargo extender mods, the Rorq will have a cargo of ~140k m3 cargohold and 30k m3 corporate hanger. I'm not even going to get into the ore holds, although if you're hauling only unrefined ore the Orca is pretty freakin' sweet at ~173k m3.

So, with that in mind, you have around 30k m3 for industrials... then you'll have to drop over 650mil isk for an Orca (plus all the skill training required for it) to haul ~120k m3, but not as one package. Then, for cargosize, you have the massively-expensive JFs. And, biggest of all, the ~3bil ISK freighters.

So, my question is, where are the "Light" Freighters? Where are the ships that have a cargohold of around 150 to 175k m3, with level 1 skills? I know that many a pilot like to use cargo hauling as a passive income (pick up a contract, autopilot to pickup point, autopilot to destination, all while doing other things like... whatever it is you want to do).

A Light Freighter would fill that little niche between cheap industrials and WTF expensive freighters. You could even have a jump-capable version with a cargohold similar in size to the Orca's. This will allow pilots who want to be the space truckers of New Eden (btw, Space Truckers was a HORRIBLE movie) to all for more efficient movement of goods around space. Market prices are fairly inflated right now due to the Rogue Drone changes and, rightfully, the anti-botting efforts of CCP.

Good logistics are vital to the EVE economy. A Light Freighter will all for smaller packages to be moved faster (more people picking up the contracts and the ships will actually fly faster, albiet by a little bit, than their big brothers).

So, please CCP, consider add Light Freighters in the Fall or Winter expansions.

Oh, and one other thing: Why does the Gallente get FIVE versions (well, 6 if you include the Quafe version) of the Iteron industrial and, yet, the Caldari get only TWO badgers, with the Badger Mark II maxed out around 20k m3?! Bring up a Badger Mark III!

Gallente are overachievers which is why they have 6. Minmatar has 3 due to rust shortages at the time of production. Caldari has 2 because all you really need to ship for frigates/cruisers/BC sized ships in terms of ammo for their race is kinetic missiles so they don't need to haul much. Ammar has 2 because they got distracted by their shiney ships so production stopped.

Closest thing you have to a light freighter will be your Orca, or the Ferir/Nomad due to them being the fastest of the freighter/jump freighter. I wouldn't hold my breath that they will come out with a light freighter anytime soon, not enough people freighter goods in comparison to using combat ships, so your going to have to make due for now sadly. I know I would like see a non jumpdrive "jump freighter" which be the hi sec special version of it so I can have a cheaper version of it, but thats not going to happen. So for now all my large expensive cargo gets contracted out to a 3rd party to freighter for me.

Posting in a stealth buff ganking thread.

This has been asked numerous times and I totally agree that there is a need for such a ship class. Hope CCP takes a look at it. Worst case they can use Orca hull minus Corp Hangar.

I like the idea of using the Orca hull for a light freighter. CCP already did that with the Primae and the Noctis (btw CCP, the Noctis is FREAKIN' awesome! Bad-ass salvager but with no tank whatsoever, which I'm fine with. Still survived that arty cane in low-sec that one time...).




I disagree that logistics is too easy. The industrials are slow to align, slow warping, slow everything. That's their nerf (and rightfully so). As for local markets, they do exist. I would much rather fly 4 jumps to Rens to get items than the 26 jumps (distance from Rens to Jita, via high-sec). Local markets are a convenience. And, the best prices aren't always found in Jita.

Im not sure you know what you are asking for when you ask for something like that. you would kill most hisec trade, and we all know how well freighters do in lowsec unless they have some large alliance behind them,

This will not do what you want it to do.

Kill it? Doubt it. I suspect that if freighters were excluded from highsec, trade and industry would increase in something like 95% of highsec systems.

We don't need light freighters because we have Orca.

From industrial level 1 to a Freighter is what? 25-28 days? That is not skill intensive at all. Even an Orca is only 45-60 days to train.

The size gap is there for a reason, it directly impacts the markets in the area. Whenever I see these proposals I have to wonder what the OP wants to move that would not work out on the available ships. I have a hard time not coming back to the observation that they are just looking for an easier path without thought towards the impact of these things.

But then again, I could just play along and say sure, go ahead, add them, but they need to use autopilot only to get around.

I see the usual suspects asking that the game be changed as they don't wish to wait for things.