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What is the justification for going ahead with essentially making bloat corps/alliances immune to protracted wars?

Easy as hell for a corp/alliance to tell all members to burn all three slots on an account to have twin dummies to pad the numbers, making big even bigger = no wars .. ever.

With wars becoming a practical impossibility against bloats and provided war-decs keep getting used, what is left but the small casuals to get bogged down in perpetual griefing declarations?
You think that the "oh noes, mah ISK" higher barrier of 50M/week will mitigate it? .. here's a thought .. anyone, anywhere can make 50M in a few hours regardless (almost) of starting SP/ISK available.

Why would CCP ever use a square root when a logarithm base 2.05831 would work?

I don't think that your average gate camp will be inhibited by the new target breaker module. It looks like it will take a "large" number of locks being active to make the module work effectively.

"The Corp Hop Song" section...

Your change does not do much to prevent it, the problem is with ppl joining the war'ing corp and instantly being able to shoot. If you want "limit it alot" add the 24hr warm-up period to ppl who join a corp at war....

Has anyone seen what will happen to wars that are currently active on the day of the patch? Do they all get reset? Stay as they are, or will the new war reports just get tacked on to existing wars?

Dearest CCP SonicLover,


My very being is arroused and excited by the notion of this mighty shield booster which utilizes capacitor charges. My imagination runs wild with the thoughts of what modules I will fill my free med-slot with, now that my ships are liberated from the need to run both a shield booster and a capacitor booster to feed it. What a masterful stroke of genius this module is. My whole existance is suddenly and powerfully energized by the thought of all these active shield ships that I will be able to utilize. I commend you for it.

But I find myself vexed by the concept of this MagSheath device. I pray you please further expound on this module. I have heard that many carebears are eager to fit two of them to their Prorators and Prowlers, and fly through lowsec without a scout or a care in the world. Surely, CCP does NOT intend to reward such noobly behavior. The thought of this deadens my loins as much as the previous module arroused them.

Some have stated that this will be a salve to sooth the wounded wallets of lowsec mission runners. To protect these novel creatures, and help keep them safe. There is already a device that performs this function, it has been in the game for many years. This device is known as a Directional Scan, and it requires no fitting slot. Surely, as difficult as it is to probe out a mission runner without being noticed, to approach and scram them, to support the idea that NPCs should be affected by this module, or count towards its productivity multiplier is preposterous. I trust this is not your intent.

Oh, my brave SonicLover, I only barely grasp how this will be used in large fleet battles. Any fleet that fits several ships with this module will be helpless. Their lock times and ranges will be terrible. Is the aim of this module to debilitate Alpha damage fleets by placing them on targets that are likely to be primaried and then slapping the module on as soon as a decent amount of hostiles has locked? Would the target ship not already be alpha-volley'd by that point? Or is one to assume that the point of this module is to wait for half of the fleet to have locks and then activate the module and pray it works? This seems like a poor investment, in that a fleet would lose so much alpha firepower due to the scan res handicaps of fitting such a module.

Please do not be vexed by the many fools complaining about WarDec costs. This will not lower the amount of highsec wars, or lessen their length. Most full-time highsec war organizations are not poor, and will be able to afford the price increase if one hundred or two hundred million. They will merely attempt to extort more from their victims, and find more to kill. This will most likely cause an increase in the number of organizations like the Orphanage, as highsec War corporations pool their ISK and their war target list to lower the average cost of the War Dec.

I eagerly await your next correspondance, CCP SonicLover.
Sonically, and affectionately yours,

Sanka D. Cofie


PS - Smell your monitor, the scent of this post is Lavender. I hope you like it.
PPS - If, indeed, this module can only be fit to battleships, then I suppose all of my concerns have been allayed. I was wrong to have ever doubted you.

24 hours before the application can be accepted or 24 hours before they show as a valid war target?
First would be a fairly simple game mechanic to implement (if at war and app < 24 hours old, don't show accept button) and in theory would stop someone shadowing a WT waiting to be accepted and jump through a gate etc...
The second would be hard to code and would cause all maner of issues which is one of the reasons why CCP were looking at the mechanics of crime watch to simplfy the amount of flags that has to be calculated and passed around. So this would never be implemented based on what I understood of the various presentations I saw at Fan Fest.

If Tracking Disruptors affect missiles, then so should Tracking Enhancers and Tracking Computers.

1) To the first poster, the issue is that a single war against even a large target is too boring to support an entire alliance's attention. While it may not seem like a lot of ISK in terms of increase to carebears, the issue is that expecting war deccers to take a 1-2 day break between wars to grind ISK is silly.

2) The only thing the cost scaling fixes is corp griefer decs on small entities for 2m ISK a pop. From the standpoint of an alliances deccing small 100-200 man groups go, the price is almost exactly the same as before. I've said it before and i'll say it again, I don't think CCP realizes the reality of corp size in relation to target viability. Outside the obvious exceptions of EVE-UNI and TASHA, finding a 300+ man highsec alliance is like finding a unicorn and when you do it doesn't last for very long at all before they either move to nullsec/lowsec or disband from war decs.

0-100 members - Completely unorganized, poor targets, can't afford mercs, won't put up a fight. Noone with 20+ members bothers.
100-200 members - Can bring some fights, can't hire mercs, and lacks targets for 20+ member dec groups to keep attention.
200-500 members - Groups of this size that reside primarily in highsec are VERY RARE and get dec'd quickly into oblivion.
500-1000 members - Smaller nullsec renters or nullsec/lowsec/WH groups. Not many targets in highsec. Wont' disband over decs.
1000+ members - Nullsec alliance with the exception of TASHA and EVE-UNI. Most targets in nullsec. Don't care about decs.

A lot of people seem to think that the changes are positive because they'll force groups to be more selective and careful with their dec selection. I'm sorry, but we do this already and over the past few months its been more and more difficult to find good war decs. Theres a reason certain groups get war decced more than others and changing the pricing structure won't cause people to change who they war dec, it will just push them our of war dececing. Theres a reason they haven't done it already under the current and cheaper system.

CCP would do well to listen to Captain Thunk and his posts on the topic. As is, the misguided idea of "pay for targets" should never be used.