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How can I upgrade my PC for Eve?

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hakkiew365
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-05-15 02:45:27 UTC  |  Edited by: hakkiew365
So I want to be able to run 2 Eve clients with everything maxed, without having to lower my windows 7 wow factor qualities and such.

If I do so right now I have ti minimize 1 client to be able to get 60 fps on the other, otherwise both clients start to choke.

Also I will be getting a second screen so I'm pretty sure this will lower my performance as well.

My options seem to be crossfire with a second 6870 card and maybe a solid state for the eve client + windows?

Any opinions will be duly noted.

Specs

Edit: The RAM is showing as 668mhz. this is in fact supposed to be 1333mhz



Edit 2: I plan on getting a new case with better airflow, SSD and a second screen, this may help with my current situation.
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#2 - 2012-05-15 02:48:35 UTC
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Hayaishi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-05-15 03:11:23 UTC
hakkiew365 wrote:
So I want to be able to run 2 Eve clients with everything maxed, without having to lower my windows 7 wow factor qualities and such.

If I do so right now I have ti minimize 1 client to be able to get 60 fps on the other, otherwise both clients start to choke.

Also I will be getting a second screen so I'm pretty sure this will lower my performance as well.

My options seem to be crossfire with a second 6870 card and maybe a solid state for the eve client + windows?

Any opinions will be duly noted.

Specs

Edit: The RAM is showing as 668mhz. this is in fact supposed to be 1333mhz


are you running your clients in "Interval Immediate"? Because that'd improve performance like mad, but you wont have v-sync, but that doesn't do a lot anyway, apart from be really taxing.
hakkiew365
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-05-15 03:13:58 UTC
Hayaishi wrote:
hakkiew365 wrote:
So I want to be able to run 2 Eve clients with everything maxed, without having to lower my windows 7 wow factor qualities and such.

If I do so right now I have ti minimize 1 client to be able to get 60 fps on the other, otherwise both clients start to choke.

Also I will be getting a second screen so I'm pretty sure this will lower my performance as well.

My options seem to be crossfire with a second 6870 card and maybe a solid state for the eve client + windows?

Any opinions will be duly noted.

Specs

Edit: The RAM is showing as 668mhz. this is in fact supposed to be 1333mhz


are you running your clients in "Interval Immediate"? Because that'd improve performance like mad, but you wont have v-sync, but that doesn't do a lot anyway, apart from be really taxing.


Wouldnt that just overheat my GPU until i can start using it as a smelter?
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#5 - 2012-05-15 03:58:40 UTC
Keep the RAM, drop by a Pop-and-Sons PC store and sell the Motherboard and Proc, or keep it for a second PC, keep your HDD for storage but erase it and format. Don't use the current HDD for OS.

Get a new Chassis(Tower), Motherboard, and Processor. See if your old RAM is compatible, but you may want to get new, (run a Memcheck86+ ISO on it to test it before you pull the current rig apart.

Get a DVD Writer

Buy two much lower Storage capacity Western Digital Black HDDs. Should be relatively cheap. Also, you can go with SSDs or 4+ HDDs or SSDs. Possibly even do Hybrid SSD/HDD. Doesn't really matter. Put them in RAID 0, or 0+1 when you do that. You could even do RAID 5 or something provided the right number of drives and functionality. Use SATA.

Basic: 2 HDDs = RAID 0 or RAID 1; 4 HDDs = RAID 0 + RAID 1.

Your CPU is way hot; Your HDD is Hot! You need to cool these. Better Coolers and Airflow are required. This is why you need a new Chassis.. whatever that thing is you got, I'm guessing it is generic manu-brand or store-brand. List it so we know for sure.

Whatever CPU you get, you'll need an aftermarket cooler(HSF). There are plenty of good ones. Think Cooler Master, Scythe, or even Thermaltake. If you get an AMD, you'll probably want a Corsair H70 as they have higher TDP and pretty much can be used to smoke bacon.

..you shouldn't be able to push a button on you computer and get bacon.

I recommend Intel i7, i5, or even i3. All have good CPUs. All of the K series are good, even if they have some AV stuff and the like stripped out.

Kingston KHX is good RAM cheap. Anything else, I recommend mid- to high-end Corsair, G.Skill, etc.. 1600MHz (O.C.) is normally fine and usually good to run at 1333MHz. If you get higher (O.C.) stuff, beware it might not function too well at 1333 or may be ultra finicky.

If your current RAM is good, good. 8 GB is good.

Need better Mobo, but I suppose you could keep the one you have. Unfortunately it is 700 series AMD chipset, doesn't use Intel, and max. support is Phenom II AM3. Kinda bites and it's cheap+oldish.

AMD go for the 900 series or even a 800 series. 990FXA-GD80 from MSI is what I would probably target if I went that route. Lots of PCIe and good onboard heatsinks, etc..

Make sure you get a compatible HSF for your Mobo and CPU. Often you might have a problem with some HSF mounting on CPU and covering RAM slots or jamming up against something on the mobo and not mounting properly. Keep this in mind when shopping.

Also make sure your Chassis has the Height, (off the Mobo), to accommodate the HSF assembly.

If that GPU is a 6850 or higher, pop in and enjoy. It should be enough by itself unless it's damaged. Make sure it is clean though; you may need to pop the shroud and blow it off with some Falcon Dustoff or something. Fans are important in your chassis, as is cable management for airflow and cleanliness.

Drop your GPU down to a PCI Express x16 slot away from your CPU and onboard Heatsinks too if you can. Keeps the Thermal envelopes from overlapping too much and allows for sometimes much improved airflow. AMD unfortunately tends to pack mobos with all heat sourv=ces in a cluster quite often.

That's one of the reasons I like the 980FXA-GD80 I mentioned; you can put your GPU in the top slot without any real issue as long as you have good airflow. Low Northbridge heatsink and low Southbrigdge heatsink allow you to drop GPUs on any PCIe and they're all x16, although dual GPU+ will change the effective lane usage. 1 will run x16 in any of them by itself afaik. I haven't actually checked the Spec that close.

If you go AMD I'd recommend the AM3 FX processors of course. I don't know much about them though I know they don't beat Intel, but I'm sure they are at least decent to good. Obviously pick for performance and Price with maybe an eye on Performance. I'm not sure I'd recommend the A-Series; maybe for a nettop, but not a PC. I can't see them having much processig capability.
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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#6 - 2012-05-15 03:59:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
hakkiew365 wrote:
Hayaishi wrote:
hakkiew365 wrote:
So I want to be able to run 2 Eve clients with everything maxed, without having to lower my windows 7 wow factor qualities and such.

If I do so right now I have ti minimize 1 client to be able to get 60 fps on the other, otherwise both clients start to choke.

Also I will be getting a second screen so I'm pretty sure this will lower my performance as well.

My options seem to be crossfire with a second 6870 card and maybe a solid state for the eve client + windows?

Any opinions will be duly noted.

Specs

Edit: The RAM is showing as 668mhz. this is in fact supposed to be 1333mhz


are you running your clients in "Interval Immediate"? Because that'd improve performance like mad, but you wont have v-sync, but that doesn't do a lot anyway, apart from be really taxing.


Wouldnt that just overheat my GPU until i can start using it as a smelter?


More like everything. Blink

edit: Also, make sure you use good grounding practices if you do the rebuild yourself. Keeping contact with part of the chassis with one hand helps, but an anti-static wrist strap is a good idea. Also, don't build on carpet; make sure you are on wood, cardboard, or something and especially make sure you aren't generating static with fleece clothing or wool or similar material socks, etc..

..and no idea what PSU you got in there. Corsair and Cooler Master both have good PSUs, as does Seasonic. Check reviews before yo buy and I always recommend 80 Plus PSUs though a good non-80 Plus can be fine.
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hakkiew365
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-05-15 04:29:01 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Lots and lots of info


Ok thats some good info.

After reading it I ahve some points and answers that might help

The GPU is the HD 6870. 1gb version
The case is what appears to be a no name brand case. it seems solid but as you stated lacks air flow. This is one of my big concerns and will be adressed asap. I actually didnt think about the case.

I have an aftermarket Heat sink on the processor and its been dialed in so the fan spins faster as the CPU needs it im not sure why its so hot if the fan isnt even stressing itself.

SSD is something I am very much considering and will most probably if not deffinetly get and keep the 1tb disk as storage after formating.

When I change out for a new case i will clean everything with Comp. air thats a for sure on my list.

Also high priority = move my GPU down a slot.

As for cases and ssd. Since I live in Iceland everything costs a lot here and all that typical "economy crisis crap".
I am considering:

Coolermaster HAF 912 gaming

Cooling System:
Front: 200 mm red LED fan x 1, 700RPM,19dBA (can be swapped for two 120mm fans)
Top: 200 mm black fan x 1 (optional ; can be swapped for two 120mm fans)
Rear: 120 mm black fan x 1, 1200 RPM, 17 dBA
Side:120/140 mm fan x 1 (optional)
plenty of fan options there which would sort out my main heat issue.

120gb corsair SSD
Stick eve and the OS on there

a second Benq screen 22" LED.
This may be the culprit for the hicups. 2 clients on one screen seems to be a bad idea.

One last thing:

Im going to take it to some more professional hands when I do this and have them recheck the cooling agent on the CPU and help me with the fan setup and such.
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-05-15 05:04:39 UTC
i would recommend the core i7 2600k or above 16 gigs of ram and the nvidia 690 .. if thats to pricey go for the 680 and if you still need to shave off some dollars . consider the 670. I whole heatedly recommended ssd drives especially for games.

reason why is because with dual monitors and eve in windows mode @ around 3360 x 1050 my system with the 2600k and a radeon 6780 the game lags at the title screen and is lil less than smooth in game. with that being said it is still playable but when you factor in two clients it can git a bit choppy and unplayable at times.
hakkiew365
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-05-15 05:07:51 UTC
Sri Nova wrote:
i would recommend the core i7 2600k or above 16 gigs of ram and the nvidia 690 .. if thats to pricey go for the 680 and if you still need to shave off some dollars . consider the 670. I whole heatedly recommended ssd drives especially for games.

reason why is because with dual monitors and eve in windows mode @ around 3360 x 1050 my system with the 2600k and a radeon 6780 the game lags at the title screen and is lil less than smooth in game. with that being said it is still playable but when you factor in two clients it can git a bit choppy and unplayable at times.


not sure if troll..
Siigari Kitawa
Weave
Weave.
#10 - 2012-05-15 05:12:28 UTC
Other than your memory being slow (which is a relative non-issue, you have 8 GB) I don't understand how your system can't run two clients smoothly. I have an i5-2500k at 4.6 GHz and a GTX 560 and my computer can run like six clients without breaking a sweat.

Your system is on par with my system if you hack a generation off. It really is. So.. what's the deal?

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hakkiew365
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-05-15 05:14:56 UTC  |  Edited by: hakkiew365
I honestly dont know But like i said the ram is wrong on that, its supposed to be 1333mhz I have no idea why it says what it says.

What im going to do is get an ssd, better case, better airflow/cooling and a second screen, this should fix all my issues.

I just needed a second opinion on the matter (they always help)

Edit:
I turned off HDR on both clients and ive been running smoothly since then. These hicups that happened have stopped and havent happened tonight.

Im still going to upgrade the pc because, heck, i can.
adam smash
Department of Gub'nent Welfare
Harkonnen Federation
#12 - 2012-05-15 05:23:41 UTC
If that can not run 2x eve clients something is wrong...

Plain and simple the system should run 2x eves with no issues.

Maybe removie the virus

um... also

DDR...

GOOGLE it...

..... whats 1333/2?

.........

the issue like is you are running AMD... they NEVER have good drivers....
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-05-15 05:26:09 UTC
hakkiew365 wrote:

not sure if troll..



not trolling just relating a experience .

there is a difference i did not think about at the time how ever . you will be running two clients at 1920 x 1080 or 1680 x 1050 or maybe lower or higher i dont really know.

im running one at 3360 x 1050 res and if i run 2 its pretty bad so maybe thats my issue . hopefully your 2 clients will run fine .

if you find what your getting inadequate you can easily upgrade .
Boomhaur
#14 - 2012-05-15 05:30:40 UTC
I start with a proper case for cooling and just OC the CPU, and the GPU if you want for now. Since you said the CPU fan throttles up when needed either manually set it higher for now or keep and eye on it after you OC it. This is assuming you have a good CPU heatsink and know how to OC.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.

hakkiew365
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-05-15 05:31:46 UTC
adam smash wrote:
If that can not run 2x eve clients something is wrong...

Plain and simple the system should run 2x eves with no issues.

Maybe removie the virus

um... also

DDR...

GOOGLE it...

..... whats 1333/2?

.........

the issue like is you are running AMD... they NEVER have good drivers....


um... the

ATTITUDE...

IS NOT NECCESSARY...

...ok?
I came here asking for advice because getting information about an eve related issue is kinda hard to dig up unless
A) I get outdated info because you know, new generations of hardware are being pooped out annually
B) I find some very irrelevant information on other forums about elitist overclockers who have never played eve and talk about how much they can over clock this and that

So making a new thread and getting fresh opinions on the matter and seeing if anyone is in the same situation seemed logical.

Sri Nova wrote:
hakkiew365 wrote:

not sure if troll..



not trolling just relating a experience .

there is a difference i did not think about at the time how ever . you will be running two clients at 1920 x 1080 or 1680 x 1050 or maybe lower or higher i dont really know.

im running one at 3360 x 1050 res and if i run 2 its pretty bad so maybe thats my issue . hopefully your 2 clients will run fine .

if you find what your getting inadequate you can easily upgrade .

Ah fair enough
Yes i will be running 2x 1920x 1080
Luis Graca
#16 - 2012-05-15 05:33:05 UTC
If you can read/write on forum you don't need anything else to play eve
hakkiew365
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-05-15 05:33:39 UTC
Boomhaur wrote:
I start with a proper case for cooling and just OC the CPU, and the GPU if you want for now. Since you said the CPU fan throttles up when needed either manually set it higher for now or keep and eye on it after you OC it. This is assuming you have a good CPU heatsink and know how to OC.


I try to avoid overclocking as much as possible, mainly because i dont trust myself with it.

And like I said before getting a new case and cooling equipment is high priority right now.
Siigari Kitawa
Weave
Weave.
#18 - 2012-05-15 05:37:05 UTC
hakkiew365 wrote:
I honestly dont know But like i said the ram is wrong on that, its supposed to be 1333mhz I have no idea why it says what it says.

What im going to do is get an ssd, better case, better airflow/cooling and a second screen, this should fix all my issues.

I just needed a second opinion on the matter (they always help)

Edit:
I turned off HDR on both clients and ive been running smoothly since then. These hicups that happened have stopped and havent happened tonight.

Im still going to upgrade the pc because, heck, i can.

Oh, yeah. HDR basically causes all your GPU cores to crunch hard numbers and leaves little for the frames. Good you figured it out!

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hakkiew365
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-05-15 05:39:53 UTC
Siigari Kitawa wrote:
hakkiew365 wrote:
I honestly dont know But like i said the ram is wrong on that, its supposed to be 1333mhz I have no idea why it says what it says.

What im going to do is get an ssd, better case, better airflow/cooling and a second screen, this should fix all my issues.

I just needed a second opinion on the matter (they always help)

Edit:
I turned off HDR on both clients and ive been running smoothly since then. These hicups that happened have stopped and havent happened tonight.

Im still going to upgrade the pc because, heck, i can.

Oh, yeah. HDR basically causes all your GPU cores to crunch hard numbers and leaves little for the frames. Good you figured it out!


Well thanks for the help anyway, it opened my eyes to some issues with my pc which are in dire need of a fix.
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-05-15 05:42:05 UTC
Siigari Kitawa wrote:

Oh, yeah. HDR basically causes all your GPU cores to crunch hard numbers and leaves little for the frames. Good you figured it out!



ccp really needs to optimize this .
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