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If the "sandbox" means that hi-sec miners should be free to hi-sec mine...
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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-05-14 23:29:44 UTC
...wouldn't that also mean suicide gankers should be free to suicide gank?

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Spurty
#2 - 2012-05-14 23:35:14 UTC
... Build a sand box for your town.

Charge people to play in it.

When they turn up to play, Kick sand in people face in the sand box.

It's really not a good analogy (sand box)

HTH

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And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-05-14 23:37:03 UTC
Spurty wrote:
... Build a sand box for your town.

Charge people to play in it.

When they turn up to play, Kick sand in people face in the sand box.

It's really not a good analogy (sand box)

HTH


But the town wouldn't be kicking sand in the face of people. The people would be kicking sand in each others face's. Why should the town be involved in a personal dispute between two people?

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#4 - 2012-05-14 23:42:15 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Spurty wrote:
... Build a sand box for your town.

Charge people to play in it.

When they turn up to play, Kick sand in people face in the sand box.

It's really not a good analogy (sand box)

HTH


But the town wouldn't be kicking sand in the face of people. The people would be kicking sand in each others face's. Why should the town be involved in a personal dispute between two people?


Congratulations. You perfectly explained CCP's stance on the sandbox.

Adapt or Die
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-05-14 23:52:40 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Spurty wrote:
... Build a sand box for your town.

Charge people to play in it.

When they turn up to play, Kick sand in people face in the sand box.

It's really not a good analogy (sand box)

HTH


But the town wouldn't be kicking sand in the face of people. The people would be kicking sand in each others face's. Why should the town be involved in a personal dispute between two people?


Congratulations. You perfectly explained CCP's stance on the sandbox.


Oh snap.

Moving on...
"If."
Will Rufus
One Horse Trading
#6 - 2012-05-14 23:54:17 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
...wouldn't that also mean suicide gankers should be free to suicide gank?



weeeeelllllll, not necessarily, the sec goes down in increments of 0.1 for a reason and was copied from Elite so has a heritage as well. Its a sliding scale of safety 1.0 is gated community type safe and 0.6 is the edges of the dodgy area of town where tourists are warned not to go. So, going by this in a way your are right, it's should be more a case of as the sec gets higher then it should get harder and harder. This is where things need to change I think.

I can't remember, but wasn't this the case once?.

P.S. this is only an opinion - nothing more.
NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#7 - 2012-05-14 23:56:05 UTC
But they are not free though are they... pointless thread.

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bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#8 - 2012-05-15 00:16:58 UTC
Sure, make a change in the game play to....even the odds.

If you gank said hulk, said hulk pilot can gank you in hi-sec without fear of concord or yourself.

Pirates with kill rights on them, shouldnt be allowed to fight back!

Called fair play, oh what? thats not fair to the gankers? awww ganker tears would be bitter, but sweet somehow.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#9 - 2012-05-15 00:19:07 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
But they are not free though are they... pointless thread.


I think you'll find there are some miners out there who are aware of the risk and willing to take it and haven't felt the effects of ganking due to their diligence and precautions.

It's the ones who aren't and don't that become the victims. Pointless remark. Back in your box Mabel.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-05-15 00:23:34 UTC
Will Rufus wrote:


I can't remember, but wasn't this the case once?.

.


No, actually it was easier to gankj back in the day since concord was weaker and stupider.


At one point you could actually tank concord and just 0wn everything that came around.

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Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-05-15 01:42:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Pok Nibin
AT the risk of repeating myself:

Let's see. The griefers/gankers (whatever) win. All miners turn in their barges for PvP-fitted vessels. Lacking minerals all manufacturers invest in PvP ships as well. Griefer/Ganker (Whatever) Heaven ensues. Ships are lost, replaced, lost, replaced until one day....

...you go to the shop and the cupboard is bare. There are no more ships.

Yeah, it seems the "EVE is for PVP" crowd's logic is supreme. It was there in front of us all along! The goal in EVE is Pods at Five Meters. We bump each other for a few hours and log out satiated and satisfied.

How stupid could we be for missing such an obvious truth? Thanks griefers, gankers, (whatever).
Our eyes are now opened.

And to think I've spent all this time training. (I've got Pods to V!)

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-05-15 01:46:05 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
AT the risk of repeating myself:

Let's see. The griefers/gankers (whatever) win. All miners turn in their barges for PvP-fitted vessels. Lacking minerals all manufacturers invest in PvP ships as well. Griefer/Ganker (Whatever) Heaven ensues. Ships are lost, replaced, lost, replaced until one day....

...you go to the shop and the cupboard is bare. There are no more ships.

Yeah, it seems the "EVE is for PVP" crowd's logic is supreme. It was there in front of us all along! The goal in EVE is Pods at Five Meters. We bump each other for a few hours and log out satiated and satisfied.

How stupid could we be for missing such an obvious truth? Thanks griefers, gankers, (whatever).
Our eyes are now opened.

And to think I've spent all this time training. (I've got Pods to V.)


Lots of minerals come from mission runners so meh Pirate

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-05-15 01:47:42 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Pok Nibin wrote:
AT the risk of repeating myself:

Let's see. The griefers/gankers (whatever) win. All miners turn in their barges for PvP-fitted vessels. Lacking minerals all manufacturers invest in PvP ships as well. Griefer/Ganker (Whatever) Heaven ensues. Ships are lost, replaced, lost, replaced until one day....

...you go to the shop and the cupboard is bare. There are no more ships.

Yeah, it seems the "EVE is for PVP" crowd's logic is supreme. It was there in front of us all along! The goal in EVE is Pods at Five Meters. We bump each other for a few hours and log out satiated and satisfied.

How stupid could we be for missing such an obvious truth? Thanks griefers, gankers, (whatever).
Our eyes are now opened.

And to think I've spent all this time training. (I've got Pods to V.)


Lots of minerals come from mission runners so meh Pirate

Oh no no no. Mission runners TOO have learned the error of their ways. Missions RUIN the game. All mission runners (with great shame) sell their mission mods and invest only in PvP mods...out they march to fulfill the true EVE model!

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Torneach
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-05-15 01:48:04 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Pok Nibin wrote:
AT the risk of repeating myself:

Let's see. The griefers/gankers (whatever) win. All miners turn in their barges for PvP-fitted vessels. Lacking minerals all manufacturers invest in PvP ships as well. Griefer/Ganker (Whatever) Heaven ensues. Ships are lost, replaced, lost, replaced until one day....

...you go to the shop and the cupboard is bare. There are no more ships.

Yeah, it seems the "EVE is for PVP" crowd's logic is supreme. It was there in front of us all along! The goal in EVE is Pods at Five Meters. We bump each other for a few hours and log out satiated and satisfied.

How stupid could we be for missing such an obvious truth? Thanks griefers, gankers, (whatever).
Our eyes are now opened.

And to think I've spent all this time training. (I've got Pods to V.)


Lots of minerals come from mission runners so meh Pirate


They'll be the next target, and already are to some degree.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-05-15 01:49:07 UTC
What is the point of this thread?

Miners can already mine in Hi sec.
Suicide gankers can attempt to gank anyone they want in hi sec.

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Senarian Tyme
Serenity Rising LLC
Controlled Chaos
#16 - 2012-05-15 01:51:06 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
AT the risk of repeating myself:

Let's see. The griefers/gankers (whatever) win. All miners turn in their barges for PvP-fitted vessels. Lacking minerals all manufacturers invest in PvP ships as well. Griefer/Ganker (Whatever) Heaven ensues. Ships are lost, replaced, lost, replaced until one day....

...you go to the shop and the cupboard is bare. There are no more ships.

Yeah, it seems the "EVE is for PVP" crowd's logic is supreme. It was there in front of us all along! The goal in EVE is Pods at Five Meters. We bump each other for a few hours and log out satiated and satisfied.

How stupid could we be for missing such an obvious truth? Thanks griefers, gankers, (whatever).
Our eyes are now opened.

And to think I've spent all this time training. (I've got Pods to V!)


I am sure there would still be a few folks at that point willing to take on the pod with an ibis. Thats the real reason we have newbie ships with graphics upgrades, CCP saw this all coming down the pipe.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-05-15 01:52:05 UTC
Torneach wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Pok Nibin wrote:
AT the risk of repeating myself:

Let's see. The griefers/gankers (whatever) win. All miners turn in their barges for PvP-fitted vessels. Lacking minerals all manufacturers invest in PvP ships as well. Griefer/Ganker (Whatever) Heaven ensues. Ships are lost, replaced, lost, replaced until one day....

...you go to the shop and the cupboard is bare. There are no more ships.

Yeah, it seems the "EVE is for PVP" crowd's logic is supreme. It was there in front of us all along! The goal in EVE is Pods at Five Meters. We bump each other for a few hours and log out satiated and satisfied.

How stupid could we be for missing such an obvious truth? Thanks griefers, gankers, (whatever).
Our eyes are now opened.

And to think I've spent all this time training. (I've got Pods to V.)


Lots of minerals come from mission runners so meh Pirate


They'll be the next target, and already are to some degree.


But they have tanks and can shoot back Sad

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Shian Yang
#18 - 2012-05-15 01:55:02 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
AT the risk of repeating myself:

Let's see. The griefers/gankers (whatever) win. All miners turn in their barges for PvP-fitted vessels. Lacking minerals all manufacturers invest in PvP ships as well. Griefer/Ganker (Whatever) Heaven ensues. Ships are lost, replaced, lost, replaced until one day....

...you go to the shop and the cupboard is bare. There are no more ships.

Yeah, it seems the "EVE is for PVP" crowd's logic is supreme. It was there in front of us all along! The goal in EVE is Pods at Five Meters. We bump each other for a few hours and log out satiated and satisfied.

How stupid could we be for missing such an obvious truth? Thanks griefers, gankers, (whatever).
Our eyes are now opened.

And to think I've spent all this time training. (I've got Pods to V!)


Greetings capsuleer,

You forget ISK. Once there is a shortage in minerals, somebody smart will make up the shortfall and reap the benefits. Your vision of a world filled with predators alone cannot and will not happen.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Torneach
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-05-15 01:56:59 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Torneach wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Pok Nibin wrote:
AT the risk of repeating myself:

Let's see. The griefers/gankers (whatever) win. All miners turn in their barges for PvP-fitted vessels. Lacking minerals all manufacturers invest in PvP ships as well. Griefer/Ganker (Whatever) Heaven ensues. Ships are lost, replaced, lost, replaced until one day....

...you go to the shop and the cupboard is bare. There are no more ships.

Yeah, it seems the "EVE is for PVP" crowd's logic is supreme. It was there in front of us all along! The goal in EVE is Pods at Five Meters. We bump each other for a few hours and log out satiated and satisfied.

How stupid could we be for missing such an obvious truth? Thanks griefers, gankers, (whatever).
Our eyes are now opened.

And to think I've spent all this time training. (I've got Pods to V.)


Lots of minerals come from mission runners so meh Pirate


They'll be the next target, and already are to some degree.


But they have tanks and can shoot back Sad


That's why gankers go for miners now, they're easier targets. Twisted
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-05-15 02:06:45 UTC
Mission runners give better prizes when you kill them. There are an endless supply of highsec Corps that will let you join so you dont even have to lose your ship when you kill their 2b ISK golem c: Just do it once a month and sell the modules.

Ferox #1
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