Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I gave you a reason: the only benefit to having them would be assigning them and having them chase targets around a system (this is what fighters can do). And this is not something the ship should be able to do. It would mean that it can be safe somewhere at a POS or safespot assigning fighters.

So if you agree that that ability should not be allowed, then there is no purpose to having fighters at all.

I thought the idea of it was that its a "roaming" ship. Being able to idle in a POS and assign fighters simply makes it a cheaper carrier.

You're missing the point. The ship should have to be in combat on the field to be the support ship you want it to be. This no risk habitual crap in Eve needs to stop, not be encouraged.

I would argue that that is a problem with fighter mechanics, not a reason to not allow fighters at all.

And to use it properly, it would need to be in the fight. Otherwise it is providing really low DPS at the expense of 150mil worth of fighters...pretty dumb IMO.

This is why, once again. I am not the only one that likes fighters for them.

It makes them more than a Domi, and they are still less than a carrier.

Carriers have 10+ fighters and a jump drive and 10X the tank, plus triage.

Supers have Fighters, Bombers, jump drive, can't dock and like 100X the tank.

Neither can use gates.

Drone BS's can use drones, have BS tank, some have drone bonuses, they can use Large remote rep modules, they can use gates. They can only use 5 drones at a time.

So, Escort Carriers (EC) niche breakdown vs Logistics, Battleships, Carriers and Supers.
Tank
BS is less than EC which are much less than Carriers which are much less than Supers

Drone/Fighters
BS less than EC much less than Carrier much less than Super

Logistics
BS less than Logi Cruiser less than or equal to EC less than Carrier less than Super

Mobility
Logi Cruiser much greater than BS greater than EC much greater than Carrier greater than Super

DPS
Logi Cruiser much less than EC equal to BS less than Carrier less than Super

I could give a more detailed breakdown with the appropriate ratios for each, but just relative position should work to explain where EC's fit in in the larger rubric of Eve Ships.

[quote=Loius Woo]As for your concerns,
Maintenance bays was a capitulation to the Wormhole crowd who want this to be a support ship for WHs that cannot fit full carriers in them. They are still pretty small. Either way, I am not sold on the maintenance bay. The Corp hanger is pretty needed IMO though. [quote]
Why do you need a corp hangar? get an orca?
A wh may not be able to have a carrier enter or leave, but you can build a carrier inside them
You can also get an Orca in, and have your maintenance bay and corp hangar. What you don't have are fighters and a capital logi.
Orca+Fighters+Logi capability= carrier-lite
The only time carriers are on the field is for logi purposes. If you're not sold on that, then there is no reason to have a carrier on the field, its better off sitting elsewhere and assigning fighters.
If you want fighters, and want the ship to actually be on the field, you need a new class of fighter that can't leave the grid of the controlling light carrier. Perhaps they can still follow the carrier in warp so you don't have to recall them all the time.

We already have logi boats, we don't need a bigger logi boat in high sec.

I want to see a battle carrier that can make its rounds in low sec, using jump gates.
None of the off grid assigning fighter gayness, none of the super logi gayness.

Just a ship that does damage through smaller craft, that put out significantly more DPS than a Domi's drones can.

I know you are adament on adding fighters but they are not needed if you are going to have a ship bay. Give a large bonus to flying regular drones as well as a bonus reducing the cost of drone modules installed on the ship. Give them a bonus to both repair range and perhaps even amount.

Since they cant field fighters the bonuses would help make up for the lack of damage output. Furthermore when you leave out fighters it allows for light escort carriers as well which could have a light or medium drone focus where as the heavy escort carrier which you mention here could have bonuses for all drones.

The ship bay already gives you fighter support in the form of frigates/destroyers or even cruisers depending on if its a light or heavy escort carrier.

So basically:
remove fighters
add a range bonus to logi modules
add bonus to drone hitpoints damage ect

With this design you can have a heavy escort cruiser (larger then a BS like what youve proposed) as well as a light escort carrier which would be more the size of a BC and only receive bonuses for light and medium drones and have a slightly smaller ship bay.

In addition the drone bays on these ships would only allow for 1 full reload of drones. This will limit the options but also allow for them to be more focused allowing each faction to claim a specific role based on bonuses. Gallente for instance would be more focused on drones all around, so their ships would have a greater bonus to drone hp/damage ect where as caldari would get a larger bonus for shield transfer ect.
This will mean that a mix of escort carriers will do more then a fleet of one races escort carrier.

What you propose is a fix for fighter mechanics in general and not within the scope of this discussion.


I have stated numerous times how this is DIFFERENT from logistics cruisers and why that is important.

These ships are intended to provide MORE reps at SHORTER range for BURSTS of time with LITTLE mobility. Logistics Cruisers provide LESS reps at LONG range for LONG duration with HIGH mobility. So these fill a completely different role.



So you want a high DPS battle carrier with none of the other "gayness" play styles like support? Got it. Perhaps you should start for own thread with those ideas and see how they float.

Very well, your opinion is noted that you feel fighters belong only on capital class vessels.

I appreciate your input.

It sounds like what you are talking about is a dedicated drone ship with two sizes (BS and BC).

This is NOT intended to be a dedicated drone ship, but an Escort Carrier, for all the reasons stated before. I get that people want a drone boat, but I think that is a very different niche than this ship.

Also, a ship bay doesn't give you fighters. They are totally different mechanics and totally different impacts on a fight.

And, giving them a bonus to logistics range and amount is exactly what Logistics Cruisers get and again, different niche.