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So how am I doing?

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#1 - 2012-05-12 19:57:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Mars_Theran

Where would you go from here? Skill Focus?

Suggestions? Skills you wouldn't have trained?

Just to avoid further sidelining with suggestions for what I should do with my time, here is my alt : http://i.imgur.com/BIfXi.jpg (i.e: if I want to fly ships, I can do that on my alt.)

..this character is training for long term play.
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Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#2 - 2012-05-12 20:11:28 UTC
Ehm, what are you actually doing in EVE?

It is a bit hard to tell from that massive pile of skills as you can hardly use any ships.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#3 - 2012-05-12 20:17:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
training.. Blink

edit : I should add, some of those skills are purposed towards Jump capability for Black Ops and some are more directed towards Cap capability and skills for that should I want to train them. Also, there is a bit of Construction and such stuff and a smattering of basic mining usefulness in there.

I'm training Nav skills up shortly, but just tinkering with getting some gunnery and missile skills going atm.
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Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#4 - 2012-05-12 20:32:14 UTC
Well at this rate you might be able to undock and enjoy the game next year.

Sometimes I really wish neural remaps never got introduced.
Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
#5 - 2012-05-12 21:40:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Florio
You're all over the place, and severely lacking in any spaceship skills.

Start playing the game now rather than just train, and work out what you want to do and what ships you think are sexy. Forget things like Black Ops and cap ships for now, as they are way way way in the future for you. To answer your question directly, I'd join a 0.0 corp and train Covert Ops to IV, learn how to scan, download Teamspeak, and learn how to scout for your corporation: but I've got the balls for it and this may not be for you :D
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#6 - 2012-05-12 22:03:57 UTC
Florio wrote:
You're all over the place, and severely lacking in any spaceship skills.

Start playing the game now rather than just train, and work out what you want to do and what ships you think are sexy. Forget things like Black Ops and cap ships for now, as they are way way way in the future for you. To answer your question directly, I'd join a 0.0 corp and train Covert Ops to IV, learn how to scan, download Teamspeak, and learn how to scout for your corporation: but I've got the balls for it and this may not be for you :D


This is where I wonder if you are a troll or just don`t think before you post.

Your first mistake is making assumptions obviously; other than that, you might have chosen not to insinuate that I am a coward who can't fly one of the safest ships in Nullsec. Big smile

That being said, my skills are a little "all over the place" in some areas, but that is because I feel that some level of diversification is needed, and some of them give me something to do in the meantime, while I'm training other skills.

Obviously, you might be able to see that I'm trying to achieve maximized training, rather than cross-training against my remap in all areas like I do with my alt sometimes.

...as Mashie said, "Sometimes I really wish neural remaps never got introduced."
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Boomhaur
#7 - 2012-05-12 22:49:34 UTC
Train up those ship skills I had alts that started with better ship skills than you. All your ship skills combined is less than what is required for Frigate V in a single race, let alone IV. Train those up and learn how to fly instead of the bare minium of being in a ship, this is a spaceship game afterall, enjoy it.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.

Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
#8 - 2012-05-13 12:02:45 UTC
Naa you misread me, I was being helpful. I was just saying that IF you would be happy jumping your ship alone through a gate into 0.0 knowing there is a 50-man hostile gang on the other side with a bubble up to stop you warping away, then cov ops might be fun for you and you would be helpful to a corp. This sort of thing isn't for everyone depending on style and attitude; it's just that your current skills support that type of ship as you have the ship skill, the cloaking skill and the scanning skills.

Forget maximising skill points per hour at your stage - most of the game is about experience not skill points, so it's experience you should be trying to achieve. Good luck!
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#9 - 2012-05-13 15:36:07 UTC
Florio wrote:
Naa you misread me, I was being helpful. I was just saying that IF you would be happy jumping your ship alone through a gate into 0.0 knowing there is a 50-man hostile gang on the other side with a bubble up to stop you warping away, then cov ops might be fun for you and you would be helpful to a corp. This sort of thing isn't for everyone depending on style and attitude; it's just that your current skills support that type of ship as you have the ship skill, the cloaking skill and the scanning skills.

Forget maximising skill points per hour at your stage - most of the game is about experience not skill points, so it's experience you should be trying to achieve. Good luck!


I've done a fair bit of Cov Ops in 0.0 and even popped in to PvP from time to time on my old accounts mains when I though I could afford the loss. Used to wormhole in a C6 too, but didn't PvP that much due to the risk inherent in losing your ships/pods. Lot of Cov Ops work in there to and plenty of scanning, though my old main didn't have maxed skills.

Actually about 5 million SP behind where that toon was when I sold him now, and in half the time more or less. Cross-trained the **** out of that and quite often forgot to train him for weeks when I was doing other things. This is more about getting back to where I was with a different skill set and not quite so much generalization. Had a lot of Indy on that toon.

I am quite rusty I'll admit. Popped out of a station a couple days ago and hit warp to gate and cycled my MWD + CloakOops Of course, I'd forgotten that the cloak wasn't functional within 2 km and hadn't looked to see where the gate was or waited till I was out from the station. Next thing I know I'm bouncing off the station wall and trying to figure out how to stop warp because I had forgotten that too. Lol ..funny in retrospect but embarrassing too; looked like a total newb I'm sure.

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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#10 - 2012-05-13 15:51:02 UTC
You have Leaderships to spec 4...but can't fly a Command ship or a T3.
Thermodynamics V, but the toon does not pvp.

It's an odd mix of skills with no purpose UNLESS: You actually train for a ship and fly the thing.


My guess is that you hate pvp, or maybe do not have any experience in it. Try doing some missions and the skilling for a good mission ship will cross over for pvp later.

If thats absolutely not your thing, get a nice T3 or Command ship and sit in system as a Booster/Prober or go do manufacturing/mining/trading stuffs.

Training skills with no focus is pointless. You have WAY too many skill points to still be wondering what to do.
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#11 - 2012-05-13 17:43:29 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
You have Leaderships to spec 4...but can't fly a Command ship or a T3.

Nor T1 battlecruisers so those warfare link modules will have to wait a while as well.
yumike
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-05-14 03:02:50 UTC
What the heck.

Since you asked I'm gonna try to be polite as possible, Mashie already asked you "What's your goal?" - You still haven't answered that question. It matter's if you want reasonable answers.

Secondly, Focus. At the moment your character can barely undock, Thermo V is a great skill Once you are done all your normal support skills for combat (Surgical Strike, AWU V, Torp spec - etc.) Why did you take it all the way to five when you can barely undock?

Outpost construction? Have 90 billion your really wanting to throw away or... ?

Every T3 skill even though you don't have a cruiser injected?

You have 30more skills injected than my 90mil SP alt..

Just Focus on what you want to do.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#13 - 2012-05-14 05:49:27 UTC
Well, part of my problem is I really don't know what faction I'm going to fly. I've done Minmatar and Caldari, but until I trained my alt up there I had never eally put to much skill into anything else. Actually, most of my experience is Caldari because it was the focus for my Corp as we all did Tengu fits for Sleeper sites and not much else. Basically, I flew Raven or CNR, Tengu, and Caldari Cov Ops and not much else.

I did have an old Alt that I trained for Minmatar that was dedicated PvP skills only and I flew Tempest, Typhoon, and Hurricane on that one. Did a bit of Mission running with a buddy who had Level 4s; and back to my original toon who was Minmatar spec'd as well, even did some PvP and flew a bit in Nullsec roams even though I was a complete newb. Actually, they were good and it went rather well as I just did what they told me to do and followed their FCs orders.

Still, I did really enjoy Minmatar, but it's sort of a been there done that and I'm kind of looking at Amarr and Gallente but not really able to choose between. I have my alt spec'd for Amarr mostly with both lasers and projectiles and limited drone skills, but so far haven't done much there and my corp mates kind of want me to fly Minmatar or even Caldari. I haven't got much ship skills in either and certainly no missiles.

I did fit out some Amarr ships but aside from nice buffer and some cool features they don't really seem that fun and/or don't really do all that well with just lasers and drones. Mostly, all recommended fits are with either drones and projectiles or drones and neuts or the like.

When that isn't an option, it's either fly something else or it's missiles or rockets. Legion might be fun, but he doesn't have the core skills to push that out just yet as I skipped over that training like most PvP spec do just to get the guns, drones, and ships. Adequate, but not enough.

Another alt I had flew Gallente mostly, but it was one I purchased and I only held it long enough to give it a little etter focus and practice a bit with PvP. Mostly solo in a Myrmi. Was fun, and I actually did better than I would have expected but I still got killed on those few occaisions. Atually, that one had Drake too, but I only popped out once for that I think and lost the ship with no effort.

Actually, except for the Tengu and Cov Ops I've never been successful with Caldari.

So, I'm wondering if I should go back to Minmatar, try out Amarr and waste some ISK soloing on my alt, or go for Gallente. Given how many SP and how long training already, I kind of want to move towards 1 Spec and stick with it for awhile.
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Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#14 - 2012-05-14 08:19:25 UTC
Just make up your mind what ship you want to fly and then max out all relevant skills for it. I would suggest assault frigate/interceptor/heavy assault ship as those are the most fun to fly.

You really should get those skills added to your alt as T1 ships are pretty much meh for everything but battlecruisers.
yumike
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-05-14 10:04:45 UTC
Well if you really can't decide yet (Both amarr, minmatar, and even gallente now are really solid choices) start training proper skills e.g Gunnery, Weapons Upgrade V, Advanced Weapon upgrade V..

Everything that ignores race, by then you must have decided.
Sunviking
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-05-14 10:33:53 UTC
You really need to get some gunnery/missile skills. Concentrate on that until Xmas.
Falkwen
Caldari Navy Operations
#17 - 2012-05-14 11:54:21 UTC
How are you doing?

Honestly mate?

Shite!

Focus and don't spread yourself too thin. Jack of all trades master of none springs to mind. By the ammount of SP you have you would expect to be good at something and that something is perhaps leadership? If thats your bag mate then spot on.

What do you wanna be?

Fighter? Builder? Explore? yadda yadda yadda

Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#18 - 2012-05-14 12:41:48 UTC
Think of it this way: Every time you do something, one or more of your skills are going to be drawn upon to help you out. The more skill points you have invested in this activity, the more of them will be drawn upon (and thus actively benefit you) when performing that activity.

So ask yourself "What activity am I going to do the most". Train up skills to focus on that activity until you have mastered it. Then pick your 2nd most common activity.

That way you are maximizing the benefit from your skill points at any given time.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#19 - 2012-05-14 15:40:00 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Well, part of my problem is I really don't know what faction I'm going to fly. I've done Minmatar and Caldari, but until I trained my alt up there I had never eally put to much skill into anything else. Actually, most of my experience is Caldari because it was the focus for my Corp as we all did Tengu fits for Sleeper sites and not much else. Basically, I flew Raven or CNR, Tengu, and Caldari Cov Ops and not much else.

I'm primarily a Caldari pilot, but I can pilot many other ships reasonably well.

It took me about 2 weeks to train every T1 turret to level 3, and all the turret support skills to 3 (including gunnery 5 which is required for large turrets). It also took me about a month to train 3 races to battleship 4. I am currently working on training all the turret and their support skills to level 4.

Armor tanking seemed to take a lot less time to train than shield tanking did. I can do both now.

I train everything I can to level 2. If I use the skill enough, I'll train it to level 3. If I use it a lot, I'll train it to level 4. If I can't imagine myself without it, or the skill is a prerequisite, I'll train it to level 5.
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#20 - 2012-05-14 19:33:40 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I train everything I can to level 2. If I use the skill enough, I'll train it to level 3. If I use it a lot, I'll train it to level 4. If I can't imagine myself without it, or the skill is a prerequisite, I'll train it to level 5.

I follow a much easier approach, if I was stupid enough to inject the skill, train it to 4. If I actually have a use of it, train to 5.
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