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When you set up a POS, you accept the risk of wardec. When you create a player-run corp, you accept the risk of wardec. When you wardec a bunch of supposed industrialists, you take the risk of them actually fighting back. In fact, the new mercenary system gives industrialists a very powerful tool to help them.


Your analogy is flawed because EVE is not two different games.

You're a pretty obvious alt of an alt of an alt and I've seen your ass in this thread before. Please quit shitting in it.

You surely cannot be that naive to think that this wardec mechanic will fix that - supply lines still cannot be attacked - you setup an alliance JF pilot with docking perms, this JF drops off goods at a lowsec station. A hisec NPC-corp alt picks up goods at that lowsec station, and safely transports to hisec.

Well, war isn't war when i can't go to your home, shoot your head, **** your wife, tie her and your children to a girder and then set the house on fire so they burn to death. For an instance.

I mean, EVE is a game, and as all games, it has got rules; and by being a computer game, also does have software routines (aka mechanics) that determine what can and can't be done. And it all is pretty arbitrary, and the developers can decide which way shall they shape the mechanics and the rules for their greater profit.

CCP is misled in thinking that their consumers want this kind of "war" they're implementing with Inferno, but then they may be wrong, and may find out that their consumers stop being such consumers if they really get wrong what the players expect from the rules and mechanics...

There is more to PvP in Eve than just the shooting ships part as many Traders and Industrialists will tell you but this is never reflected in the War Process. Why not introduce a little economic warfare at the declaration time. After all miner and industrial corps may be ISK wealthy and fighting ship light - so add another dimension alongside the ability to hire allies/mercs.

> For examples sake let us say that there is a fixed initial war declaration fee of 100 Million ISK per week for an entity (either a corporation or alliance) to war dec another entity.

> Within the 24 hours after the initial declaration the target corp/alliance could pay a multiple of the declaration fee to have it nullified - let us say twice the fee - so 200 Million

> TThe aggressors and target would then go through a number of stages of price doubling escalation to declare and counter 400Million, 800Million, 1.6 Billion etc… until one side bails.

> If the hostile party is the highest bidder then the weekly cost of the war dec is their winning bid.

> If the targets win then they have paid for CONCORD to prevent the war on their behalf.

> An aggressing entity would not be able to re declare war against a target for a period of time to be decided after the end of hostilities.

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Tricky. In the real world a collective approach to protection takes place because supply chains aren't anonymous. If an industrial nation gets war decced, the people who rely on that resource feed step in to preserve the supply chain. In eve the anonymity of the market and the ease of moving goods means you can just find another supplier, there is no game mechanic that penalises the killing of chess players - fees based on corp numbers don't help because corp numbers aren't related to your liking for chess...

Why aren't we using standings to decide how helpful concord are in allowing a war? One would imagine chess players generally have a good sec and faction standings. Isn't this the tool to resolve different players 'style'.

Fee = corp members * ( faction standing * constant + concord standing * constant)

A good standing makes it expensive to dec you etc etc, pirates can be decced for free(ish).

Any that isn't Eve-Online. Happy I could have helped, goodbye.

He doesn't want to suggest anything. I think its becoming pretty obvious from the last 10-20 posts that this individual is very bitter and enjoys trying to make people he communicates with feel like ****. Almost every single post contains some kind of a condescending remark. Just ignore him.

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Well, at least we're getting new missile effects, even though they seem to be quite the graphics hog and can cause latency on lackluster pc's due to graphics demand, but they are beautiful. I finally have a reason to keep zoomed in on my ship.

As far as the war dec system. I'm a little disappointed that CCP hadn't thought that hard about it before they announced what they did at fanfest.
It was obvious to the vast amount of player right off the bat that it protected the alliances and made moderate sized casual high sec corps the primary targets.

My suggestion is a bit different.

No longer base the wardec system off of whether you're in a player corp anymore.

Instead, make it based off of what you put into Eve.
I'll explain

You can no longer use research or production lines without being in a player corp.
If you are using research, development, have a POS up, or own SOV, then your corp is wardeccable.

This does a few things.

1) keeps players from taking advantage of npc corps in order to do R&D to fund low/null sec.

2) Anyone who supplies any type of competition to Eve via a POS, SOV, or R&D will be proclaiming that they wish to compete in Eve.

3) Casual corps that don't wish to be involved in wardecs can do so, but at the cost of being able to own a POS, SOv, or do R&D.



While you may think this is weird, I feel that it is well balanced. Players will be able to form small corps with friends without having to worry about dec, while those that are performing these actions are essentially competeing and can be shut down.

This also keeps players that have competetive accounts in low/null/wh space from being able to safely and securely perform R&D while in an npc corp.

This doesn't protect players from ganks, can flips, or baits, so there will always be a way to engage those players that are protected from wardecs.


My other thought was to set freighters as a support ship that can't be used outside of a player created corp. You must be part of a player corp in order to pilot a freighter. This means that npc corp transporters for those competing in these types of pvp will have to either do so in transport and indy ships, or must create a player corp with no ties to the alliance in order to do so.

I would also like to state that perhaps freighter pilots should also have roles with the corp they are in. This way they can't just create a corp, join with the freighter, then apply to another corp while they're docked up, so that in the event they get attacked they can just accept the application with the other corp and instantly be safe while in space.
I've seen this happen with an orca pilot we had wardecced for flying around with 4 macro characters.

As far as cost. Since you're knowingly applying for pvp through one of these methods to unlock yourself as a war target, then the current rates for wardecs can stay as they are.