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Wormholes are too easy/safe

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#21 - 2012-05-12 19:27:58 UTC
I got around 3 bil from camping a WH 1 jump to highsec from a single player with a few alts. I think he would take issue with the whole WH are safe thing...

For myself, there have been several instances when I jumped from low sec into a WH and there were a few friendly guys waiting for me who podded me back to where I came from. I don't feel very safe in a WH either.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Frau Leinsmarch
Mimics
#22 - 2012-05-12 19:53:01 UTC
If you think your hole is safe then I have this to say:

LOLOLOLOLOLLLOLLOLLLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLOLOLOL

Also..

Thanks for the KMs xD
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#23 - 2012-05-12 19:53:50 UTC
Just because your static is controlled and shut doesn't mean you are safe. If someone wants into your wormhole, they will find a way, either via a logged off scanner alt or just cycling their hole until they reach yours.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#24 - 2012-05-12 19:56:07 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
Just because your static is controlled and shut doesn't mean you are safe. If someone wants into your wormhole, they will find a way, either via a logged off scanner alt or just cycling their hole until they reach yours.


Uhh its not MY wh, I was just saying that a corp said they controlled the WH spawn and was safer and wondered what all the fuss was about this lol

I just reside in this WH for convience for taxing around Eve. It is empty 99% of the time. Of course there is more dangerious ones, they are only dangerious because of popularity of them, just like certain lowsec systems are dangerious, again because of popularity and density of inhabitants.
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#25 - 2012-05-12 19:56:09 UTC
it's pretty safe if you pos spinning all day
Taz Edenrunner
Kit TBR
#26 - 2012-05-12 20:40:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Taz Edenrunner
Noone can stop a WH from opening by not warping to it from their direction, someone can open the WH from the other side of the connection.

If you close a WH to force another to respwan and do not warp to it, there is nothing stopping someone on the other side from scanning it down and warping to it causing the WH to open
JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-05-12 20:44:00 UTC
You can only control static wormhole from spawning.
It actually spawns when you initiate warp to it

On the other hand Incoming wormholes can take you by surprise because you cant find then until someone opens it from the other site.

So it balance things out, in fact it makes wormholes more dangerous because if you know they connect to you it would be more difficult to gank you in extreme cases impossible.
JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-05-12 20:44:29 UTC
Taz Edenrunner wrote:
someone can open the WH from the other side of the connection.



No
Hatt0ri Hanz0
Life sucks then you die Ltd.
#29 - 2012-05-13 00:10:01 UTC
Ive had people come into my system through a k162, and open up all my statics, thereby enabling their other side. This was all done, after I had probed out, but not initiated warp to them, thinking that I was fairly safe. So, believe me, this mechanic aside, there is nothing safe about w-space. OP, needs to find something else to complain about.
Celery Man
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-05-13 00:28:30 UTC
Miilla wrote:
[quote=Barbara Nichole]
I am in a C2 right now


You live in the quietest safest section of wormhole space.
You do not know what danger is, and I should know, I too am a slacker carebear living in a C2. Any second of any day a wormhole can open into you with a fleet behind it.

Or they already came in when you were offline and are waiting for you to do something stupid.

Explain to me how this situation is safe.
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#31 - 2012-05-13 01:58:14 UTC
Miilla wrote:
I thought W-space was suppost to be the MOST DANGERIOUS place, i am finding it the safest place in Eve. I am often AFK in W-space and surin tthese forums without fear of being in danger lol. This W-system is my personal region taxi :)


I can see why you left high sec.

http://www.wormholes.info
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#32 - 2012-05-13 03:22:44 UTC
Wormholes have two sides: an outgoing side (never K162) and an incoming side (always K162).

Random outgoing wormholes can be found anywhere. Static outgoing wormholes are only found in w-space.

K162 don't appear until somebody initiates warp to the outgoing side.
Juan Sezole
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-05-13 03:41:40 UTC
Wormholes are the hardest part of eve, for a few reasons, if your scanner is out, and all of you are out - your **** is lost. Logistics isnt as easy as empire or k-space, and other reasons, and there is no local, too easy - i think not. But if you arent a total fool, you can manage :)
Isha Tamron
The Environmental Management Team
#34 - 2012-05-13 05:58:04 UTC
Obviously someone who didn't even know someone lived there because Miilla didn't even dscan any planets out of range of the entrance(for 2 days?)......has very valuable opinions.
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#35 - 2012-05-13 05:59:23 UTC
Tell you what, if you think you're safe, find me an entrance and I'll check your system for you free of charge. Just to make sure the defenses are up to par.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#36 - 2012-05-13 07:21:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Nathan Jameson wrote:
Miilla wrote:
I thought W-space was suppost to be the MOST DANGERIOUS place, i am finding it the safest place in Eve. I am often AFK in W-space and surin tthese forums without fear of being in danger lol. This W-system is my personal region taxi :)


I can see why you left high sec.


Lol, I dont maintain a kb, that is just partial information from what other people upload, I have lost far more cheetah's than that probably 10x more which isn't shown on BC because all KB's are inaccurate by their inherant design being dependant on everybody publishing but not everybody does - i dont :) :)
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#37 - 2012-05-13 07:24:08 UTC
Isha Tamron wrote:
Obviously someone who didn't even know someone lived there because Miilla didn't even dscan any planets out of range of the entrance(for 2 days?)......has very valuable opinions.


Actually I scanned all planets, there is a POS here but they only pop on once every 2 days or so lol That is why I am using this one as my personal regional taxi :) I have been in far more populated ones, again, no real danger, was even around their POS out of range of the guns, uncloaked, again no danger :)
Gorenaire
Theosophical Society
#38 - 2012-05-13 07:49:25 UTC
Miilla wrote:
is it true that wormholes when formed, don't actually open the other side until they're jumped through or are both sides open on forming?

can somebody explain how wormhole formation works regarding entry and exit on forming.



Why do you say that WH are too easy/safe when you obviously dont know that much about them ?
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#39 - 2012-05-13 07:50:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Gorenaire wrote:
Miilla wrote:
is it true that wormholes when formed, don't actually open the other side until they're jumped through or are both sides open on forming?

can somebody explain how wormhole formation works regarding entry and exit on forming.



Why do you say that WH are too easy/safe when you obviously dont know that much about them ?


All the one's I have ever been in are nearly dead and empty lol, The only time I have been at danger is entering a camp at the wormhole itself but once inside, it is like nullsec.

I am in a C2 right now with a C4 joined on and a high and sometimes a low. I just happen to like this one and stay in to roam eve and pop out to connected regions now and then to see where it goes and to maybe get some stuff but then im back in it again.

And yes I don't know everything about them that is why I was wondering what all this huff puff was about with regard to "keeping a spawned wormhole closed", made no sense to me especially when they stated it made them safer, i was thinking WTF? Thats not what w-space should be like.
Phrank Phish
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-05-13 08:46:09 UTC
Just because you didnt open your static doesnt mean someone else hasnt. If your a target worth hitting then people will log a cov ops alt in your system and log it on when you get active, provided your system isnt microscopic in size then they can probe the static without letting you see and bring in a fleet through empire. Trust me, its been done.

Besides that, keeping your static closed means nothing, you have a c4 and an empire hole, you wont be attacked through those, people coming down from c5 162's are your biggest concern and you wont spot them until they decloak next to you. Even with a probe up watching for the incoming wh's to open, it takes 5 seconds to find you in an anomaly and maybe a minute if your at a signature.