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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#141 - 2012-05-09 06:29:52 UTC
i never played UO, so in these 2 worlds, did you just cross to a different area? or were they different servers?

also highsec seems nothing like "trammel" since you know.. you can be killed in any number of ways.
i know PVPtards don't understand this, but if everything was nullsec the game would suck, leaving a station would be a toss up, mining would be none existant, missioning wouldn't happen. incursions? never
the only people left playing would be the established pvpers, but after they figure out no one was mining for minerals and such they would Bot or quit when they had to mine to get a rifter.
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#142 - 2012-05-09 06:41:43 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
i never played UO, so in these 2 worlds, did you just cross to a different area? or were they different servers?

also highsec seems nothing like "trammel" since you know.. you can be killed in any number of ways.
i know PVPtards don't understand this, but if everything was nullsec the game would suck, leaving a station would be a toss up, mining would be none existant, missioning wouldn't happen. incursions? never
the only people left playing would be the established pvpers, but after they figure out no one was mining for minerals and such they would Bot or quit when they had to mine to get a rifter.


But people do run missions, mine, and do incursions in 0.0 - All of those things are happening right now.

In fact, the best solution to avoiding being ganked in hulkageddon is to pick a low-sec system with no traffic and mine there. You'll never be ganked.
Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#143 - 2012-05-09 07:23:46 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
I sincerely hope not, but carebears are indeed the MMO cancer, they ruined UO (and every other good MMO in the market, see SWG).


Actually PvPers ruined UO. Slaughtering newbs trying to get from Britain to the Moongate may have been lulz worthy but it lead to the creation of safe havens like Trammel because of it.

UO has survived as long as it has Because of Trammel these days. Felucca is dead dead dead.

EvE is not UO.
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2012-05-12 06:10:19 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
This might have been me, although I'm not sure.

The point I was trying to make is that we don't want the same levels of inflation. That's why we'll do a lot of adjustments that may sometimes feel like nerfs, because we've managed to keeps EVEs economy healthy for 9 years and that needs to continue.

Edit: On a sidenote, I <3 UO very much.


healthy have you see the cost of ship lately 210 mill for a rokh 90 mil for a domi. Soundwave the economy is way out of wack. No rogue drone drop now only isk and sal there now the only missions and npc i dont shot there worthless now.

plex prices well i wont even go there. But when ships cost 2x what they cost less then a year ago something is broken and well ccp broke it.

 [13:12:18] CCP Punkturis nat longshot you're a cutie.. OH YAH I WIN!!
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#145 - 2012-05-12 07:37:52 UTC
nat longshot wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
This might have been me, although I'm not sure.

The point I was trying to make is that we don't want the same levels of inflation. That's why we'll do a lot of adjustments that may sometimes feel like nerfs, because we've managed to keeps EVEs economy healthy for 9 years and that needs to continue.

Edit: On a sidenote, I <3 UO very much.


healthy have you see the cost of ship lately 210 mill for a rokh 90 mil for a domi. Soundwave the economy is way out of wack. No rogue drone drop now only isk and sal there now the only missions and npc i dont shot there worthless now.

plex prices well i wont even go there. But when ships cost 2x what they cost less then a year ago something is broken and well ccp broke it.


Dont worry, he's looking to break it more

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2012-05-13 01:35:43 UTC
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
nat longshot wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
This might have been me, although I'm not sure.

The point I was trying to make is that we don't want the same levels of inflation. That's why we'll do a lot of adjustments that may sometimes feel like nerfs, because we've managed to keeps EVEs economy healthy for 9 years and that needs to continue.

Edit: On a sidenote, I <3 UO very much.


healthy have you see the cost of ship lately 210 mill for a rokh 90 mil for a domi. Soundwave the economy is way out of wack. No rogue drone drop now only isk and sal there now the only missions and npc i dont shot there worthless now.

plex prices well i wont even go there. But when ships cost 2x what they cost less then a year ago something is broken and well ccp broke it.


Dont worry, he's looking to break it more


your right there Sigurd Sig Hansen ccp will break it more then ever hell so far all they did was frak up the market so hay why not just break the rest so and can point and laugh at ccp when they lay off more people.

 [13:12:18] CCP Punkturis nat longshot you're a cutie.. OH YAH I WIN!!
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#147 - 2012-05-13 02:44:51 UTC
so much wrongness about SWG in this thread

SOE & LA's bean counters killed it
the game was too much for casual (read WoW) players and SOE or LA couldn't understand why the godlike Star Wars IP wasn't causing million dollar gold coins to rain down out of their arses

players caused stupidity like the CU, but the NGE was a calculated move by the management to play the IP for all it was worth by trying to bring in the same numbers wow had, it was the last ditch effort to save a sinking ship

when a gaming company speaks of a mass of lost subscribers as "expected and acceptable losses" you pretty much know its on the slow burn to the end
xCabalx
The Wallstreet Bulls Corporation
#148 - 2012-05-13 05:07:44 UTC  |  Edited by: xCabalx
Degren wrote:
delete me please


Man if you try to look cool as I am go and at least shave your face a bit now!
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#149 - 2012-05-13 06:02:47 UTC
Gealbhan wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
I sincerely hope not, but carebears are indeed the MMO cancer, they ruined UO (and every other good MMO in the market, see SWG).


Actually PvPers ruined UO. Slaughtering newbs trying to get from Britain to the Moongate may have been lulz worthy but it lead to the creation of safe havens like Trammel because of it.

UO has survived as long as it has Because of Trammel these days. Felucca is dead dead dead.

EvE is not UO.


That's the thing with griefers. They don't feel accountable. It's always up to someone else to take responsibility. Not only has griefing wiped out hundreds of thousands of potential subs from EVE it deprives EVE of one of its real selling points. EVE is supposed to be a game of mature players and it's anything but. Behavior is juvenile in deed and motive. You can't pretend to be immature. You are or you aren't.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#150 - 2012-05-13 06:25:57 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Not only has griefing wiped out hundreds of thousands of potential subs from EVE it deprives EVE of one of its real selling points.
I hope you have reported these griefiers, since it's a bannable offence.

Luckily, we have things like suicide ganking and empire wars to retain some of EVE's real selling points.
Pres Crendraven
#151 - 2012-05-13 06:34:14 UTC
I wish CCP would come out with a smartphone sandbox. They will never capture the Top 20% but if they really enjoy working for niche players, the long tail of the other 80% could be served and I'm thinking short lead times of cellphone apps with CCP's quick development resources would be just the platform for finding other niches. look how fast Lego can respond with customer designed sets. Note the collaboration, lego provides tools, customers design sets. Customer solicits customers, lego uses their marketing to leverage customer designs even further. I certainly hope dust pushes them further toward the 20% envelope but it may not.

CCP keeps banging out stuff, their processes keep improving. Their response to costumers is weeks instead of months. I bet they could develop a sandbox template and pop this stuff out as fast as the next hit video comes out.

But Back to UO, If you look at inflation as relative to ship price, your only seeing part of the picture. Several indicators are converging rather than diverging. A whole new economy will be in

Meta34me

Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#152 - 2012-05-13 06:38:32 UTC
nat longshot wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
This might have been me, although I'm not sure.

The point I was trying to make is that we don't want the same levels of inflation. That's why we'll do a lot of adjustments that may sometimes feel like nerfs, because we've managed to keeps EVEs economy healthy for 9 years and that needs to continue.

Edit: On a sidenote, I <3 UO very much.


healthy have you see the cost of ship lately 210 mill for a rokh 90 mil for a domi. Soundwave the economy is way out of wack. No rogue drone drop now only isk and sal there now the only missions and npc i dont shot there worthless now.

plex prices well i wont even go there. But when ships cost 2x what they cost less then a year ago something is broken and well ccp broke it.



What are the "correct" prices for those ships then?

In terms of buying power, they're still significantly cheaper than when I started playing (25M/hr was seen as top-end ratting in 2006; Ravens cost 125-130M) - and T2 mods and ships are still far cheaper. A Cerberus used to go for a price equivalent to almost four months of game time.

In terms of required player effort, ships are a lot cheaper than they used to be be, merely more expensive than they were recently. CCP have deemed (and I agree) that the level of effort was too low and needed to be raised.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2012-05-13 06:41:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Degren
Gealbhan wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
I sincerely hope not, but carebears are indeed the MMO cancer, they ruined UO (and every other good MMO in the market, see SWG).


Actually PvPers ruined UO. Slaughtering newbs trying to get from Britain to the Moongate may have been lulz worthy but it lead to the creation of safe havens like Trammel because of it.

UO has survived as long as it has Because of Trammel these days. Felucca is dead dead dead.

EvE is not UO.


Carebears bitched in order to get their safe spots. They didn't take any precautions, they didn't travel in groups. They just died, then whined. They got their way.

When they got their way, subscription numbers plummeted. PvPers had zero interest in staying, and carebears had nothing to do besides grind for more money without any kind of real goal, and there were much, much better PvE games out in which they could do that (Everquest was out by then)

The game is kept alive by a few people who have several accounts, a large number of bots (roughly 90% of the game population bots, look up some UO macro sites), and a large number of people who resub periodically to take a stroll down memory lane.

There are a huge number of free servers, and a huge number of T2A/Pre-Trammel/Current-game-without-trammel-rules have more players than any individual actual UO server.

Carebears killed it because they knowingly joined a hardcore game and asked for it to not-be-so-hardcore anymore.


xCabalx wrote:
Degren wrote:
delete me please


Man if you try to look cool as I am go and at least shave your face a bit now!


Sorry, dawg. Baldy McBeardface stays

Hello, hello again.
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#154 - 2012-05-13 06:52:27 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
This might have been me, although I'm not sure.

The point I was trying to make is that we don't want the same levels of inflation. That's why we'll do a lot of adjustments that may sometimes feel like nerfs, because we've managed to keeps EVEs economy healthy for 9 years and that needs to continue.

Edit: On a sidenote, I <3 UO very much.


Hey there Genius

Remember to have someone pop your ego daily or hourly to make sure you do not screw over the player base with your nerfs
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#155 - 2012-05-13 07:58:26 UTC
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
This might have been me, although I'm not sure.

The point I was trying to make is that we don't want the same levels of inflation. That's why we'll do a lot of adjustments that may sometimes feel like nerfs, because we've managed to keeps EVEs economy healthy for 9 years and that needs to continue.

Edit: On a sidenote, I <3 UO very much.


Hey there Genius

Remember to have someone pop your ego daily or hourly to make sure you do not screw over the player base with your nerfs



Oh look, the problem posts complaining about the solution.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#156 - 2012-05-13 08:24:24 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
This might have been me, although I'm not sure.

The point I was trying to make is that we don't want the same levels of inflation. That's why we'll do a lot of adjustments that may sometimes feel like nerfs, because we've managed to keeps EVEs economy healthy for 9 years and that needs to continue.

Edit: On a sidenote, I <3 UO very much.


Interestingly enough, it turns out that datacore farming in hisec is an issue about passive income, whereas moon goo farming in nullsec 23/7 is not. How convenient. Roll
Tash Rockski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#157 - 2012-05-13 08:42:23 UTC
Degren wrote:
Gealbhan wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
I sincerely hope not, but carebears are indeed the MMO cancer, they ruined UO (and every other good MMO in the market, see SWG).


Actually PvPers ruined UO. Slaughtering newbs trying to get from Britain to the Moongate may have been lulz worthy but it lead to the creation of safe havens like Trammel because of it.

UO has survived as long as it has Because of Trammel these days. Felucca is dead dead dead.

EvE is not UO.


Carebears bitched in order to get their safe spots. They didn't take any precautions, they didn't travel in groups. They just died, then whined. They got their way.

When they got their way, subscription numbers plummeted. PvPers had zero interest in staying, and carebears had nothing to do besides grind for more money without any kind of real goal, and there were much, much better PvE games out in which they could do that (Everquest was out by then)

The game is kept alive by a few people who have several accounts, a large number of bots (roughly 90% of the game population bots, look up some UO macro sites), and a large number of people who resub periodically to take a stroll down memory lane.

There are a huge number of free servers, and a huge number of T2A/Pre-Trammel/Current-game-without-trammel-rules have more players than any individual actual UO server.

Carebears killed it because they knowingly joined a hardcore game and asked for it to not-be-so-hardcore anymore.

Terrible troll. Subs increased at a higher rate after the introduction of Renaissance, spiking in mid 2003 when people started to realize "meh, AoS is ****" and left in droves.

The reason freeshards had no trammel/felucca is they never had the population to mirror worlds.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#158 - 2012-05-13 08:56:17 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
This might have been me, although I'm not sure.

The point I was trying to make is that we don't want the same levels of inflation. That's why we'll do a lot of adjustments that may sometimes feel like nerfs, because we've managed to keeps EVEs economy healthy for 9 years and that needs to continue.

Edit: On a sidenote, I <3 UO very much.


Interestingly enough, it turns out that datacore farming in hisec is an issue about passive income, whereas moon goo farming in nullsec 23/7 is not. How convenient. Roll



Yes, it's almost as if there are significant qualitative differences between the two Roll

Speaking of "interestingly", I notice you still haven't updated the false information in your sig, despite repeated having to concede that it's wrong.

Or is EVE University not a hi-sec organisation any more?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#159 - 2012-05-13 09:25:00 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
This might have been me, although I'm not sure.

The point I was trying to make is that we don't want the same levels of inflation. That's why we'll do a lot of adjustments that may sometimes feel like nerfs, because we've managed to keeps EVEs economy healthy for 9 years and that needs to continue.

Edit: On a sidenote, I <3 UO very much.


Interestingly enough, it turns out that datacore farming in hisec is an issue about passive income, whereas moon goo farming in nullsec 23/7 is not. How convenient. Roll



Yes, it's almost as if there are significant qualitative differences between the two Roll

Speaking of "interestingly", I notice you still haven't updated the false information in your sig, despite repeated having to concede that it's wrong.

Or is EVE University not a hi-sec organisation any more?


I am griefing you, thanks for noticing. Twisted
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#160 - 2012-05-13 09:27:04 UTC
If you think making a fool out of yourself in public is "griefing" me, then good luck and go to it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016