Market Discussions

Plan of Attack –

Market Trading and Manipulation –Faction, Deadspace, and Officer Items

Bond Amount Needed: 5b - up to 30b @ 10% Interest Monthly (with a 3 month min.)

My investment: 5b

Reason for Bond:

With the addition of Faction, Deadspace, and Officer Items to market trading I see an opportunity to close up some really high margin items and turn a large profit. The main problem I have is the stock is very expensive and I just don’t have the capital to cover it. I have sold one combat toon to gain some isk to help cover this venture and will continue to offer a service for my alliance to help supplement the income for this. However, I would love to see at least 5b additional isk to help cover the investment. After studying the officer and deadspace market for the last 6-8 months I have a solid grasp on prices and what kind of profit I can turn. On average my margin is 20-30% and sometimes as high as 50%.
With the market opening up to these these items I would like to close these margins up a bit to discourage novice investors from eating my cake. I will be securing some financing from corp mates and other assets but I would really like to open this up to public interest in order to make the most of this opportunity.
I won’t get much more into detail about the plan, as I don’t want give away my trade secrets.

Collateral: None – Hence the high interest.

I know this is a huge risk.

Some things that will help alleviate some of that risk. I will not post my main here as I don’t want it to be public knowledge and become a target as I am known to carry multi-billion isk items out of null sec and other areas. (Yes, I know this is a risk too but I have made hundreds of trips and have never lost a ship with my techniques and I will most likely not be doing this with bond assets.) I will, however, allow a private audit of my main if so requested in order to prove that I have knowledge in trading these items. I will also supply all investors – provided they agree to keep the information confidential - the names of all of my characters in order to be able to get a hold of me with ease.

All isk and assets will be held on this character at all times. He is a brand new character and I am starting to train my trade skills as we speak. Low skills will not be a problem as I don’t need a lot of trade slots (20 to 50 should do and I can train that very quickly) and level 3 and 4 for trade support should be fine.

I have been playing eve since 2009, so I do not think I will be burning out any time soon. I am also on summer break, so I will have plenty of time to focus on this.

I will provide bi-weekly state of the bond reports to investors to help keep them in the loop.

There will be an opt out option every month (at a slightly lower interest rate if before maturity).

There will be a mid-month opt out option that would sacrifice interest but would return the principal.


What happens if I don’t make any isk?

This is a possibility with my 5b investment I can cover any interest payment for at least a month, and if I don’t make any isk in a month then I would cancel the bond with a full refund of the principal and the interest.


So terms……

Bond Amount - 5b to 30b depending on interest.

Min. Investment – 250m

Interest Rate – 10% Monthly with a three month commitment and a month-to-month option after that OR 8% Monthly with no monthly commitment. If you cash out early on the 10% option, interest will be paid at 8%.

Length of Bond – 6 - 12 months depending on the market.

Payment Date – TBD (based on when the bond goes live)


I will now open this up to discussions and questions.

Feel free to tell me the flaws in my plan and ways to make this bond a success.

Also feel free to contact me in game to discuss.

If you would like to secure a spot in the investment opportunity, simply eve mail me with the character you would like to invest with and specify the amount.

If you want 30 bil on your first bond, at least post with your main and not a throwaway alt that you created 3 hours ago

I tend to avoid bonds that are significantly higher than the borrowers NAV. If the 5b you're investing in the 30b venture is close to your NAV then I wouldn't consider investing for 10% interest.

The level of risk demands a huge return on investment which would just be one more reason for you to run off with my ISK.

Good luck.

You would need to do something like the following to get any ISK out of me.

1st month: Audit followed by Bond 1 (1-2B @ 10%)
2nd month: Bond 2 (3-4B @ 10%)
3rd month: Another audit to confirm you're actually trading and making ISK followed by Bond 3 (5-7B @ 10%)
etc.

I will address this first. I haven't been just studying them. I have been actively trading them. I have pretty good knowledge of the price base and the demand for a large variety of officer and deadspace items. While this venture would be outside of my normal perview of trade (which is why I would like the bond in the first place), I am positive my knowledge and experience in these items will prove to be profitable.

Ok now for the other comment.

Your idea:

1st month: Audit followed by Bond 1 (1-2B @ 10%)
2nd month: Bond 2 (3-4B @ 10%)
3rd month: Another audit to confirm you're actually trading and making ISK followed by Bond 3 (5-7B @ 10%)
etc.

The major issue with this is the actual amount of capital involved. As I am sure you are aware, officer and deadspace mods can range anywhere from a few million to several billion per item. With my initial investment of 5 billion, an influx of 1-2b would not a.) warrant a large return as I am taking all the risk (as opposed to more of a shared risk) and b.) not be enough to effectively expand the operation.

Another point worth making:

As I mention is the OP, I am currently training the charactar and will began my initial phases over the next few days with the 5b I am putting in which will be in an audit should this go live.

And this is still of course the discussion phase so I am open to more ideas and suggestions.

I may limit this bond to 5b based on the feedback so far, but I honestly feel there is room for rapid and aggressive growth behond the initial 10b (my 5b and the bond isk).

As I also mentioned I am willing to have a full private audit done but all names ect. would have to be redacted in anything public to protect my other sources of income.

Don't invest then.

I trade in many areas and I have large amounts of isk in other areas that I am not ready to give up. I have 5b isk set aside for this venture. If no one wants to invest, I can manage without it.

You don't know me, so I can understand why you don't want to invest, but for you to call it a scam (especially during the discussion phase) is a little much. I have yet to even ask for .01 isk from anyone. I am discussing the possibilty of opening a bond.

Maybe next time you can add some constructive criticism?

Discussing the possibility of a bond is absolutely no different than offering the bond. This is just the equivalent of asking that girl you had a crush on in middle school "what would you think if I said I liked you?" and claiming it is completely different from saying "I like you".

Spoken like a true Beta male.

Ok I'll bite. Without collateral you'll be lucky to raise more than 2B. Also, work on the snippy bitchy attitude. It makes you seem like the kind of person that would ragequit over some small stupid crap. Bitchy babies raise red flags for investors.

You will be called scammer, rep grinder until the day you leave EVE. Get used to it it's not personal. While partial collateral is a good start I promise you that someone will say "Well, if you are willing to put up X amount as collateral then why don't you do the loan for X only".

Since this seems to be your first offer here I would suggest sucking it up and trying to go for full collateral at 5%.

BTW, I'm an idiot compared to 99% of the people that post in MD so take my advice at your own risk.