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Sam Seama

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 5

#1 - 2012-04-25 14:37:27 UTC

The corp that I am in at the moment just moved to 0.0 space. I started ratting in an armor tanked Tempest, but I am not doing very well. Low damage, low tank and small range. I only have about 7 mil skill points. I can only use t1 guns and I am 7 days away from t2 armor tanking. Can you guys recommend a different ship or fitting? I am suing specific ammo and hardeners.

Kahega Amielden

Rifterlings

Likes received: 1,324

#2 - 2012-04-25 14:44:14 UTC

Sam Seama wrote:

You -could- be flying battleships properly, but with 7 mil SP your training would need to be very focused.

Could you post your fitting and upload your skills to eveboard? A properly skilled/fitted Tempest should rat just fine.

Sam Seama

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 5

#3 - 2012-04-25 15:56:08 UTC | Edited by: Sam Seama

[Tempest, DEATH2.0]

800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I_2, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I_2, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I_2, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I_2, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I_2, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I_2, EMP L
'Malkuth' Heavy Missile Launcher I_2, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Malkuth' Heavy Missile Launcher I_2, Mjolnir Heavy Missile

Cap Recharger II_2
Cap Recharger II_2
Cap Recharger II_2
Cap Recharger II_2
Experimental 100MN Afterburner I_2

Large Armor Repairer II_2
Large Armor Repairer II_2
Prototype Armor Thermic Hardener I_2
Prototype Armor Thermic Hardener I_2
Prototype Armor EM Hardener I_2
Prototype Armor EM Hardener I_2

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I_2
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I_2
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I_2

Hammerhead II, 5i
Hobgoblin II, 5i

and the skills:

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Sam_Seama

Astroniomix

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

Likes received: 881

#4 - 2012-04-25 20:19:55 UTC

Sam Seama wrote:

use 1 repper, 1 em hardener, 2 thermic, and then fit 2 gyrostabilizers. Also be aware smaller ships will take less damage because your guns have a hard time hitting them.


Sam Seama Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 5	#5 - 2012-04-25 21:04:11 UTC I'll try that thanks

Arth Ostus

The Squirrel Academy

Curatores Veritatis Alliance

Likes received: 3

#6 - 2012-04-25 22:17:49 UTC

i dunno why but in a minmatar ship I think cap stability is overrated.

I'd personally take the above advice to get the gyro's on there. Then I'd ditch all the cap rechargers for 3x tracking computer II's scripted for optimal and a heavy cap booster with cap booster 800s. You don't need the rep running all the time.

-most blood raider NPC battle ships like 15km orbits, and 40km orbits.

-Without the tracking computers you're looking at doing 80%of max turret dps out to 15km, then once you're at 27km your dps drops to 40%...

-With the tracking computers you should be doing 80% of your max turret DPS at 27km, and 40% at 50km...

Then you can swap rigs for a large projectile burst aerator I rig (might have power grid issues with your skill for this one), and 2x large auxiliary nano pumps for some extra tank.

i'd also train large projectile turrets up past rank 1 asap.

Stetson Eagle

Paird Technology

Likes received: 59

#7 - 2012-04-27 08:42:05 UTC

First off decide what type of ratting do you want to do. For anomalies tempest is sub-par, but for belt ratting it's one of the better choises.

Belt ratter armor fit:

- tank with large armor repper, em hardener, thermic hardener
- speed tank with afterburner, the better you have the better the ship fares since on a tempest you'll mitigate incoming BS fire completely. a damage control / nanofiber might be useful too.
- rest of low slots gyrostabilizers, 2 or 3 tracking computers, AC 800's
- optimal setup is 1 range script computer, 2 unscripted
- if you want extra cap stability, you can drop the launchers for a nosferatu + utility slot (i'd go with neut to escape pvp tackle)

Usage:

- burn close to the rats, 10km is your sweet point vs battleships. choose your transversal (approach / orbit / keep at range / manual) depending on how much damage is incoming: if you're taking heavy fire, orbit with high transversal, otherwise stay still to score better hits

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Doyey3731 Tactical Feed. Pandemic Horde Likes received: 68	#8 - 2012-04-27 18:17:09 UTC Interesting thread. How about a plexing ship (7/10 - 8/10)? I'm minmatar too. I have more than 7m SP, more like 35m including minmatar bs 5.

Sam Seama

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 5

#9 - 2012-05-01 17:09:30 UTC

tried the tempest with 3 gyros and 3 tracking computers, a bit hard to tank, better on damage I deal tho. I'll raise money and go for a shielded maelstrom, see how that goes.

[Maelstrom, Maelstrom 3]

800mm Repeating Artillery II_2, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II_2, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II_2, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II_2, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II_2, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II_2, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II_2, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II_2, EMP L

Shield Boost Amplifier II_2
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I_2
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I_2, Cap Booster 800
EM Ward Field II_2
EM Ward Field II_2
Thermic Dissipation Field II_2

Gyrostabilizer II_2
Gyrostabilizer II_2
Gyrostabilizer II_2
Tracking Enhancer II_2
Tracking Enhancer II_2

Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I_2
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I_2
Large Projectile Burst Aerator I_2

Hammerhead II, 5a
Hobgoblin II, 5a

This ship will be used for anomalies. In about 80 days I'll be able to use this fit and after that in about 30 days I'll be able to soap the 800mms with 1200mms for better range. What do you guys think?

Bubanni

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 854

#10 - 2012-05-02 07:38:09 UTC

Sam Seama wrote:

stick with 800mm, higher tracking, more dps.... you will proberly have problems with the frigates more than already if you switch to arty

Supercap nerf - change ewar immunity https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=194759 Module activation delay! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180934

Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1,052
ChromeStriker Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 1,052	#11 - 2012-05-02 07:56:30 UTC Ratting? use a Stealth bomber No Worries

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Just Alter Futures Abstractions Likes received: 154	#12 - 2012-05-02 11:07:59 UTC Doyey3731 wrote: Interesting thread. How about a plexing ship (7/10 - 8/10)? I'm minmatar too. I have more than 7m SP, more like 35m including minmatar bs 5. 8/10 needs at least 500dps tank if you speed tank. More if you stand still.

Nalha Saldana

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 902

#13 - 2012-05-02 12:48:20 UTC

For plexes use a loki to tank, they have awesome em/therm resists.
For regular ratting i dont like cap boosters and a lot of people dont, i can recommend my current fit if you want to try without because it is cap stable with the AB off.

[Maelstrom, L4s BloodRaider]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Large Shield Booster II
Cap Recharger II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
100MN Afterburner II

800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hobgoblin II x10
Hammerhead II x5

Sam Seama

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 5

#14 - 2012-05-11 21:04:37 UTC

I want to be able to get into a Blood Raider Forsaken Hubs and get 12mil isk ticks, I've seen and abbadon that can do this by just staying in the middle of them and nuking them.

[Abaddon, Abaddon]

Mega Pulse Laser II_2
Mega Pulse Laser II_2
Mega Pulse Laser II_2
Mega Pulse Laser II_2
Mega Pulse Laser II_2
Mega Pulse Laser II_2
Mega Pulse Laser II_2
Mega Pulse Laser II_2

Cap Recharger II_2
Cap Recharger II_2
Cap Recharger II_2
Cap Recharger II_2

Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener_2
Damage Control II_2
Large Armor Repairer II_2
Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener_2
Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener_2
Heat Sink II_2
Heat Sink II_2

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I_2
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I_2
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I_2

this is the fit. It can tank 500+DPS and can to 800-1000 DPS. I need the minmatar version of this without a heavy cap booster. This is cap stable without one.

Digital Messiah

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 401

#15 - 2012-05-11 21:16:40 UTC

[Maelstrom, Mael ACs]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier I
Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5

cap stable, 1k dps, 541 dps tank, 3.9+39 range, 0.06401 tracking speed.

the gist c-type booster is the only dead space and it is very cheap considering you live in 0.0.

Something clever

Sam Seama

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 5

#16 - 2012-05-12 18:48:51 UTC

Digital Messiah wrote:

that is awesome, one problem tho, with my skills, the cap runs out in 8 minutes

Gorki Andropov

I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre

Likes received: 1,966

#17 - 2012-05-12 19:09:04 UTC

Sam Seama wrote:

Digital Messiah wrote:

that is awesome, one problem tho, with my skills, the cap runs out in 8 minutes

More than enough time for you to kill nearly everything, though ^^


Digital Messiah Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation Likes received: 401	#18 - 2012-05-12 20:30:45 UTC What he said. At 1k dps you can burn down anything and everything around you. And if your tank is hurting you can always warp out. BTW do not fly a ship like this without the drone skills to kill scraming frigs. Something clever

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