Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The problem we have with buying SP is the following: Time. Everything in EVE takes time and should take time, and the moment skilling stops taking time, by whatever means, EVE is no longer EVE.

In addition to what others have already brought up here (time), it's a matter of availability.
There is a limited supply of charachters in the bazaar.
For example, how many 100m+ SP chars are made available each month? 1 or 2 maybe? That severely limits the amount of people that can do it, and they don't get to pick the name or how the SP is distributed, and it comes with a reputation attached to it. Same goes for any other type of char.
Buying SP though would enable anyone to make a char like that instantly though, without having to compete over a limited supply.
It would also make it possible to exceed the normal maximum amount of SP possible to have. You could, if you're rich enough, buy enough SP to max every single skill in the game, which normally would take over 20 years, making it impossible today.

Additionally, as mentioned by others, once you buy that char, you're stuck with it, you have to train it the normal way of you want to improve on it. You can't 5 months from now just realize that "oh hey, I want to be able to fly that racial carrier too!!" and instantly pay to add that to your current char. Having the ability to buy SP you could constantly add a little bit here and a little bit there rather then having to buy a huge chunk of SP that's never gonna fully match what you want.

Being able to buy your way to the end game without going through the beginning and middle is wrong and I do not support it, that said I agree with the other poster that said you can already do that by buying a character. The only difference between buying a character and buying skillpoints, from the perspective of the buyer is you don't get to pick the sex, name or race, and you inherit their factional standings. You can talk all you want about somebody else having to train the character first, but that means almost nothing to the buyer.

…actually, it means a whole lot.

It means you can't make your character better at things.
It means that what you want might not be available.
It means you have little to no say in what SP you're buying.

On a market interaction level, It means if you already have kind of what you want, supplementing that with a purchase is actually a very bad idea. It also means that if you want something very similar to what you already have, you have to buy a whole new character, and you can't do both of those very similar things at once.

The difference between buying SP and buying a character, even on the individual level, is enormous.

Allright, so if it's the same to the buyer, there's no point in introducing this right? Why waste dev time on creating a service that is exactly equivalent to something that already exists?
And if it's exactly the same, why would you care if they did? If what you're saying is true, then you should be perfectly happy with the current system.

Either you agree that it's not equivalent, meaning that the character bazaar can not justify buying SP, or you can claim that it's the same and be happy with what you have.

What I would like to see is a "starter package" that includes some skillpoints so that you can get your new characters into action sooner. But this package would be a 1 time only per character and not available to people with SP over a certain amount.

These forums are useless.... bloody lost post ¬_¬

Anywho, tech 3 implants, attribute bonus of say around 10,000. Burns out after a month and only one can be plugged in at a time.

Manufactured using a tech 2 implant that is used up in the process.

Problem solved?

edit- plus make them only accessible through a new skill which requires cybernetics 5 and is relatively high.

I'm not saying its just like buying skillpoints you can spend anyway you want on a character you already have, but it is a shortcut to "a" character with the skillpoints required to do whatever it is you want to do in the game, and whatever it is you want to do in game, is what I'm calling the end game. So yeah, the character bazaar is close enough to buying skillpoints that it makes the argument against selling them pretty much moot. This is not to say I support selling skillpoints, I just don't support the character bazaar either.

Its a completely bad idea .

Part of the fun of eve is learning what you need to get your new ships . Fitting them and showing off your prowess in game . I have spent over a year to get where i am today . Is it fair that a 5 min old character can buy his way to my lvl when i worked to get to the position i am in . Yes sometimes i find it boring waiting for skills to train just to fit what i want to my ship or fly the nest teir ship . The thing is when i get into it there is a sense of achievement . Also by been able to plex for SP has detrimental effects to the market . Players been able to skill up in seconds and allocating SP can be in ships that they wouldnt normally be able to fly in months of training . First to get a hit would be the plex market . Then the implants ships and ore prices would take a dive . It would completely brake the game mechanics and the markets . Also the character bazaar would take a hit since people can just plex their characters to whatever lvl they wish , without having to go through the trouble of searching the character bazaar and without paying CCP to transfer that character .

-1 for the idea NOT supported .

First, many continue to beg the question against my original argument by assuming that training skills takes work, or that the current system of training skills is "earning" them in some sense greater than the hypothetical player paying for the skill points outright. I have disputed both of these claims with arguments which have not been squarely addressed.

Another common point is the "nanny state" argument that newbies won't have fun unless they play the game the same way as those individuals who trained their skills through the existing system. This may or may not be true, but fails to address my own arguments in any event. As I said, my argument is on principle, and is not concerned with possible existential side-effects. It may be the case that P2W will lead to massive rage-quitting newbies who otherwise would have stuck with the game had they played the game the traditional way (although I find this claim --- and others like it --- extremely dubious), but my argument as presented is not concerned with such possibilities.

Again: no significant time or effort is put into training skill points. You simply set your skill (which takes a few seconds) and that's all the effort required. At any rate, the time and effort put into training skills by this method would not be significantly greater than that put in by a person buying the skill points directly; he or she would presumably still have to spend time clicking the skills, for instance, which would probably take about the same amount of total time.

The idea that players are "earning" skill points by setting their skills and then waiting on them to finish is illusory; if any action truly "earned" these skill points for the player, it was the monetary transaction involved (e.g. the subscription fee).