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The Glory of Mining, Why are Miners Misunderstood?

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Malak Dawnfire
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2012-05-11 06:53:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Malak Dawnfire
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Malak Dawnfire wrote:
Miners let you play internet spaceships while they play...real life, what's wrong with that? Why the hate! P


Miners don't get to play real life as much as anyone else in EVE.

Keeping your PC running and checking on it for long hours keeps you tethered to your home / apartment. Sure, you can do other things, to a point. Mining is very time consuming and thus half-playing is limiting both in game and outside it. The alternative is to bot, which is bannable.

By contrast, everyone else can log in and log out as they please, experienced condensed entertainment or just chat, then hop off and hit the pub. No tether.

This is why people look at miners and scoff. the few that are actually people playing are literally throwing their time away for chump change, and thinking they're making a profit, not realizing that time is a valuable resource, and they could make far more ISK via other means, and then buy far more minerals, in the same timeframe.



I was just messing around when I said that, in my opinion you shouldn't be playing the game for any benefit you make, there's no reason why say...you can have sex and still make a decent amount of Isk. But mining works just like that, just leave your ship your ship at an asteroid for long enough and the magic happens.

Seriously needs some kind of re-haul though..I don't think anybody should be rewarded for being away from their PC because that alone breeds security, which is what this game shouldn't be about, need to always be on your toes and constantly using Directional Scan. I'm just a noob though, what would I know about the inner workings on EvE. :P
Zeo Salis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-05-11 07:10:56 UTC
Nothing quite like kicking back on a Friday night with a cold beer, a good movie, setting up some mining in Eve while talking to your corp on Teamspeak Big smile
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#23 - 2012-05-11 07:36:34 UTC
Zeo Salis wrote:
Nothing quite like kicking back on a Friday night with a cold beer, a good movie, setting up some mining in Eve while talking to your corp on Teamspeak Big smile

What's your favorite beer?

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Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#24 - 2012-05-11 08:02:56 UTC
Space Mitt Romney wrote:
Let the mining industry fail


Where would your shiny ships come from?

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt

No More Heroes
Sanctuary of Shadows
Dock Workers
#25 - 2012-05-11 08:22:48 UTC
Probably because mining is about as glorious as masturbating with a cheese-grater.

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dethleffs
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-05-11 08:24:06 UTC
They aren't misunderstood, they're just killed.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#27 - 2012-05-11 08:36:40 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
But guys you don't get it, mining is something you can do in Eve while doing ten other things like washing the dishes, vaccuming the room, video calling friends, unpacking the shopping, helping your brother win Plants vs Zombies on another monitor!!
Life is then so much more interesting then.

If you only PVP, thats all you can do; PVP, cos you of turn away for a sec, you could be popped.

I see. Let me tell you a story, then.

A couple of years ago, while I was still in college, I was running the usual trifecta of empire wars. One of them was against an alliance with a member count between 200 and 300 people. We usually did one alliance war along with two corporation wars, to maximize targets and minimize costs. We tried to pool our targets in a compact area as well.

One day, I was camping outside the alliance target's HQ, with the targets in the system numbering in the upper teens, and more in the surrounding system. I had a late afternoon class that day, and reluctantly resigned myself to going. The class was great, but when I came home, I was a little tired, not having slept at all the previous night. I decided to take a quick nap.

Waking up six hours later, blurry-eyed, I sat down at my computer. The EVE Online window in the taskbar quickly caught my eye. Snapping awake, I immediately though "****, ******* **** ****." Furthermore, "****, ****, goddamnit, *****-ass ****." I didn't feel like clicking it. "Well, I guess it's just about time for the ol' rage-quit anyway."

I clicked the icon. "Yeah, escape menu. But why isn't the blurry background that of a station interior?" I hit escape. Still outside. Still in the Ishtar. Still in my clone with the high-grade Slave set in it. The number of war targets in local was three. A few seconds later, one logged off.

I closed EVE, and opened WoW.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#28 - 2012-05-11 08:49:41 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Francisco Bizzaro wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
But guys you don't get it, mining is something you can do in Eve while doing ten other things like washing the dishes, vaccuming the room, video calling friends, unpacking the shopping, helping your brother win Plants vs Zombies on another monitor!!
Life is then so much more interesting then.

Clearly. And to pay for that RL productivity only costs the occasional hulk wreck. Let's hope your extracurricular activities are satisfying enough that we don't need to see you on the forums complaining that hulks need a tank buff because you lost one while doing the dishes.



Dishes and highsec mining don't mix these days, youre right.


Don't do it kids, it will screw you up. This is your brain while mining.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#29 - 2012-05-11 09:52:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Peter Raptor
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Malak Dawnfire wrote:
Miners let you play internet spaceships while they play...real life, what's wrong with that? Why the hate! P


Miners don't get to play real life as much as anyone else in EVE.

Keeping your PC running and checking on it for long hours keeps you tethered to your home / apartment. Sure, you can do other things, to a point. Mining is very time consuming and thus half-playing is limiting both in game and outside it. The alternative is to bot, which is bannable.

By contrast, everyone else can log in and log out as they please, experienced condensed entertainment or just chat, then hop off and hit the pub. No tether.

This is why people look at miners and scoff. the few that are actually people playing are literally throwing their time away for chump change, and thinking they're making a profit, not realizing that time is a valuable resource, and they could make far more ISK via other means, and then buy far more minerals, in the same timeframe.


So youre saying miners don't log on/off when they please?? Say wut?? You can't seriously think ALL miners sit there for hours on end making pathetic isk, mining crokite or other high end mierals will make you a plex quite soon, and you dont have to sit there 23.5/7 at all.

And if players have High Pi skills in nullsec, mining is simply a bonus isk rewards, Plex is covered RL social life is nicely intact Cool

In fact from watching PVP guide videos it is PVPers who dont have much of a social life, what with spending HOURS looking for targets etc Im not against PVP, just saying Blink

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Benilopax
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-05-11 10:02:57 UTC
I have always found mining very relaxing, listening to the hum of my lasers while reading a book, watching TV, or chatting with fellow corp members.

On the big mining ops we used to have, we would tell jokes, have quizzes, and generally discuss EVE and all it's interesting happenings.

Nothing wrong with mining every now and again.

...

Francisco Bizzaro
#31 - 2012-05-11 10:11:27 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
In fact from watching PVP guide videos it is PVPers who dont have much of a social life, what with spending HOURS looking for targets etc Im not against PVP, just saying Blink

Well, in response to the subject of this thread, thank you for clarifying miners' attitudes. Miners are no longer misunderstood.

However, I don't think our new-found understanding is accomplishing the goal of making miners any less of a target. Maybe the contrary. Just saying Blink
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#32 - 2012-05-11 10:15:31 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
But guys you don't get it, mining is something you can do in Eve while doing ten other things


We do get it, and this is precisely why they are dying by the thousands during my event.


Mine AFK, Die AFK.
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#33 - 2012-05-11 11:11:25 UTC
Sisohiv wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Because shooting players is always going to be more fun than shooting immobile rocks. Even the most carebear of the carebears have the option of shooting braindead AI constructs that at least attempt to shoot back.


Hulks don't shoot back, dummy.


Got you with that one Big smile

+1

I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.

Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#34 - 2012-05-11 12:18:28 UTC
Helicity Boson wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
But guys you don't get it, mining is something you can do in Eve while doing ten other things


We do get it, and this is precisely why they are dying by the thousands during my event.


Mine AFK, Die AFK.


I think you mean, mine in hisec, die in hisec.............. can't beat an alpha strike whether youre afk or not.

Evelopedia; 

The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion  †  

Starsplash
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-05-11 12:52:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Starsplash
****, I love mining. I mine and play Xbox360.

Sure, I missioned during hulkaggeddon, but the limited amount of kills to salvage loot, the waste of time by going back and forth from station to mission area (wish you can turn in quests and requests quest remotly?) is just obnoxious, escpecially the first part.

However, you still have to pay attention though. Can't really mine afk or you will get killed where ever you are.

With that in mind, is hulkaggeddon done now?
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#36 - 2012-05-11 12:52:41 UTC
Mining is different for different people, depending on their goals.

Sometimes, someone's goal is to get in that shiny T2 ship full of shiny T2 modules. For that, they need money and mining is a means to that end.

Some people see getting isk as its own goal and mining is a way to achieve that.

I personally mine when I'm waiting for something else. If I'm waiting for my jump clone timer to count down before I do my next operation...or if I'm waiting for my kids to go to bed so I can focus without interruption, or if I'm waiting for an agent's 4 hour decline timer to run out...I'll mine.

How much or how little mining a person chooses to do is a choice on their part. I hold people who say "I would tear my eyes out if I have to mine" and "I refuse to do anything BUT mine" in equal respect.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

No'mak
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-05-11 12:59:14 UTC
I mine because it makes a whole load of other people who don't mine insanely and illogically angry ;)

I really don't understand why it gets others so riled up, but I enjoy seeing it play out in the forums and in-game. I also don't understand why carebear miners cry so much when they get ganked... Both people need to realise this is a sandbox - therefore we do what we want.

I'm sure I'm not alone in this sentiment!
Kale Eledar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-05-11 15:01:40 UTC
I used to mine and totally get why people find it relaxing. However, I now do a bit of everything and have to be in a certain mood to mine, namely




masochistic and addled with dextromethorphan

First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.

Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#39 - 2012-05-11 15:25:39 UTC
Most EvE players would rather destroy things than create them. It's the nature of the game.

What I don't get is why nobody seems to see the calm serenity of mining as a relaxing thing to do. I work all day in a chaotic environment. I get home to the chaos of my family life. After I finally get the last kid down to bed, walk the dog, and review the day with my wife, it's really nice to sit down with a beer and just mine for an hour or two to unwind from all that stuff.

Doesn't anybody else do this? Mining is perfect for this sort of thing.
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2012-05-11 15:28:33 UTC
what i don't get is why nobody seems to see the calm serenity of suicide ganking as a relaxing thing to do

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