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Syllramic Fiber Production Question
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Baron Von Rapestizer
Tea Wrecks
#1 - 2012-05-11 06:32:02 UTC

So I may or may not have recently setup a Sylramic fiber production chain. I've done alot of pre-planning and analysis for this but there is still a gray area for me. I would like someone who has specific knowledge of this to point out my error if they would be so kind.

Given:
100 Platinum + 100 Chromium = 200 Hexite (per hour)
100 Evaporites + 100 Silicates = 200 Ceramic Powder (per hour)

Show Info on Sylramic Fiber Reaction Says:
100 hexite + 100 ceramic powder = 6000 syl fibers

My Postulate:
The actual product of a complex reactor should be 12000 Syl Fibers per hour/cycle

I have seen the 12,000/h quote on multiple spreadsheets, and the 1.5b-1.7b revenue per month listed on these spreadsheets only makes sense if you are producing 12,000 syl fiber /hour.

However I have seen other reaction chain descriptions on spreadsheet and websites that state that the complex reactor only spits out 6000/hour.

I'm guessing that the actual rate is 12000/hour, and the 6000/hour figure is merely a mistake that blindly quotes the show info figure of "100 hexite + 100 ceramic powder = 6000 syl fibers" without taking into account the fact that 200 hexite and 200 ceramic powder are produced per hour, not 100.

If someone could confirm this for me, that would be fantastic. Due to the delays in silo numbers updating, and the delay for various reactors starting after being onlined, my attempts to reverse engineer this figure based on what my reactors have produced in the given amount of time are little fuzzy/uneven.

Thanks.

Haulie Berry
#2 - 2012-05-11 06:46:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Baron Von Rapestizer wrote:

... without taking into account the fact that 200 hexite and 200 ceramic powder are produced per hour, not 100.



I don't do reactions, but my understanding is that they cycle hourly and, once per hour, they take the inputs listed on the reaction - if available - and turn them into the output listed on the reaction.

I don't see how an overproduction at an earlier stage of the production chain would be relevant, except in that it would allow you to keep two SF reactors in production (given adequate fitting, etc.).
Titus Veridius
Calamitous-Intent
#3 - 2012-05-11 07:02:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Titus Veridius
hrmm. Where are your moons? = )
Baron Von Rapestizer
Tea Wrecks
#4 - 2012-05-11 07:14:50 UTC
lol. Dirty piwate.

So, i just found another source saying that the complex reactor + sylramic fiber reaction can only input 100 hexite/100ceramic fiber and thus only outputs 6000 units of fiber.

So really what I am looking for is for someone that has done this to say:

Yes: You technically can produce 12k/hour fibers you just need two Complex Reactors to handle the output from the two Simple Reactors. And ahahah....try fitting a second complex reactor on your reaction POS.

No: One complex reactor can produce 12,000 syl fibers an hour, CCP just goofed by putting 100:6000 ratio on the reaction show info when the reactor actually handles the outputs from 2 simple reactors....which only makes perfect sense.
Proton Power
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-05-11 12:29:47 UTC
Baron Von Rapestizer wrote:
lol. Dirty piwate.

So, i just found another source saying that the complex reactor + sylramic fiber reaction can only input 100 hexite/100ceramic fiber and thus only outputs 6000 units of fiber.

So really what I am looking for is for someone that has done this to say:

Yes: You technically can produce 12k/hour fibers you just need two Complex Reactors to handle the output from the two Simple Reactors. And ahahah....try fitting a second complex reactor on your reaction POS.

No: One complex reactor can produce 12,000 syl fibers an hour, CCP just goofed by putting 100:6000 ratio on the reaction show info when the reactor actually handles the outputs from 2 simple reactors....which only makes perfect sense.


Each simple reaction provides enough material for 2 Complex Reactions. So to produce 12k per hour you will need 2 Complex Reactors.
Haulie Berry
#6 - 2012-05-11 13:27:40 UTC
Baron Von Rapestizer wrote:

No: One complex reactor can produce 12,000 syl fibers an hour, CCP just goofed by putting 100:6000 ratio on the reaction show info when the reactor actually handles the outputs from 2 simple reactors....which only makes perfect sense.


I don't understand why you think it's a ratio. It's not a ratio. They're absolute values.
Ken Sunji
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-05-11 13:43:59 UTC
Basically you will want 3 large towers.

Tower1 - Simple Ractions - 2 Simple Reactors, 6 silos
Tower2 - Complex Reaction - 1 Complex reactor, 3 silos
Tower3 - Complex Reaction - 1 Complex reactor 3 silos and maybe if you want 1 corp hanger array and/or component assembly (for onsite fuel block manufacture and storage) and a ship maintenance bay or something.

This is all plus weapons/defenses.

This will allow for you to be in constant production providing you restock and clear the silos (after the initial wait for Simple reactions)
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-05-13 01:07:47 UTC
Yes: You technically can produce 12k/hour fibers you just need two Complex Reactors to handle the output from the two Simple Reactors.

This can actually be accomplished with two caldari large towers,

depending of course on the right moons. usually it takes three, simply because of moon good distributions are not always optimal, and of course sometimes you want to shield or arm your pos

Tower !

Harvester 1 ->
...........................Reactor 1 -> Silo 1 ->
Harvester 2-> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Large reactor 1 -> Silo 3
....................................................Silo 2 ->


Tower 2

Harvester/Silo 4 ->
..................................Reactor 2 -> Silo 5 ->
Harvester -> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Large Reactor 2 -> Silo 7
..........................................................Silo 6 ->


H1 Silicates...........................H3 Platenium
H2 Evaporites.......................S4 Chromium
R1 Ceramic powder............R2 Hexite
S 1- Ceramic powder..........S6 Hexite
S 2 -Hexite.............................S7 Ceramic Powder
LR 1 Sylarmic Fibers...........LR 1 Sylarmic Fibers
S3 Sylarmic Fibers..............S7 Sylarmic Fibers

This sort of fitting leaves you with 500 CPU and 2.205 k PG on tower 1 and the same or close depending on Silos or harvesters for the second tower.
You have to swap Hexite and ceramic Fibers every two days or so.
Silo holds 200 hours of composite material, but its always good to leave a buffer space in there

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.