Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Instead of trying to untangle all web of skills nested in the certificates and train them one by one, let us Que up a single certificate for training. With the removal of the ability to set a very long skill training right as your subscription runs out and letting it train when you are not paying, there shouldn't be a problem letting us que up long sets of skills anymore.

I really like the certificates. Despite their user-unfriendly UI, they provide new ppl like me consolidated info about where I may want to go. I would love for them to drastically reduce the training time of all the Core skills too. 10 days for Evergy Management 5? Come on, give me a break.

We really should have a training queue that is a year long.

I miss ghost training.

Can we have it back?

Mr Epeen

first of all, certificates are not a very good planning guide at all. They often include erroneous skills and they do not scale in any sensible manner. I recommend EVEMON for anything related to skill planning.

second of all, that level 5 takes 10 days because maybe you shouldnt be training it unless you actually know why it would be worth it to do so. Certificates also are misguiding in this way, in that they provide no reason why you would need Hull Upgrades level 4 in order to have a decent tank for example. (which Evemon will do if you know how to use it well).

my point is: never bother to click on the certificates tab again.
I also wish for a longer queue however. there are so many skills which take 29 hours or so, and its a pain to deal with. Also people, me included, often need to spend unpredictable amounts of time away from a computer, and its a pain to switch to a long skill you dont really want yet just because you dont know if you will be gone for 2 days or 15. also, wouldnt it be so much better to handle all the 2 day skills you really want in that time anyway...

edit: i just had to go check, it turns out i still only have energy management 4. Its really not especially important. at least not until you have say, 10m skill points.

Can anyone think of a reason certificates still exist? Is this about an intrenched yet useless feature, or is it about stroking that epeen?

Also so you can show off Hull Tanking Elite

WIN

More srsly though, I think Certificates are fine as they are.

Sadly, It's becoming clear that I wont be able to do what I want to do (well) until I am at around 10m SP. Frankly, even with the multiple, nauseous exhortations to "only fly what can be destroyed", I find it completely un-fun to have to buy and fit out a new ship. It's about the most un-fun thing I can think of to do in Eve. Worse than mining. It's not about the ISK either. It's simply not fun to have to hop in and out of stations in a system to buy all the parts. Even just a lowly frigate took me an hour to set up in Jita. This includes a couple 1 or 2 jump trips because of the +50% more expensive stuff in Jita I could get cheaper elsewhere. Why so long? I couldn't fit half the stuff I found and had to keep looking.

So, if facing the need to set up a whole new ship makes me want to log out and play a FPS, they I will try and avoid this situation. This means I am stuck in High-Sec doing less-fun things. Hence, the need for 10m+ SP so I can equip and use effectively... *effectively*... better ships/gear. This increases my survivability, which reduces the chances I will have to either log out or spend an hour+ putting together a new ship.

I know, I know.. whaa! Or maybe I should buy a set a 3 ships at one time. Yeah, not that rich. I would just as soon not die that often. One of these days I may join a player Corp, and be in a situation where it's much faster to set up after a loss. I am mostly a solo player, and I accept the consequences of that. Namely, that I will have to wait a few months before I can start to play the game, heh. At least I have managed to make enough ISK to pay 1, maybe 2 of those months subscription fee's.

All in all, the game is supposed to be about having fun. Starting players with 5m SP (4m of which they can assign as they please), and doubling the speed of the next 5m would get players into the meat of the game much faster, instead of discouraging them from sticking around long enough to get into more fun stuff. (and not die repeatedly)

Fun stuff? Wormholes, Low/Null Sec, Level 4 missions, Incursions, SoE, Invention, Research, Fleet Op's, Black Ops, etc... All those things you need 10m+ to even start to do well.

Since certs were introduced I said that we should be able to create custom certs, like fittings.

People complain that the 'stock' certs are inadequate and Evemon only gives you minimum fittings to fit/fly.

Would love to have a Corp "scout" cert that has the skills that I think a scout should have to fly/fit a scout ship.

It's like FW...a good idea/mechanic, but orphaned before it could be made truly useful.

Well, you can prove that you really do have "perfect" Logistics skills for that Vanguard fleet that's forming up. You can publicly display the elite cert which you only get if you actually have those skills trained.