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Burn Jita unrealistic and inconsistent

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#1 - 2012-05-09 20:14:49 UTC
Speaking in game world / back story terms:
You mean, the Caldari State would just sit back and let a null sec alliance invade and have its way? With the galaxy's biggest trade hub, in Caldari sovereign space? At some point, wouldn't the Caldari Navy have started podding gankers to put a stop to it? Or just shoot any Goon ship on sight, without waiting for it to aggress someone? Same for CONCORD.

Not bitter about Burn Jita, I wasn't there and it looked fun. But it just seems entirely unrealistic in game world / back story terms.

Got my flame resistant suit on, go ahead and get out your flamethrowers....
Gretix
Einherjar of Vanaheimr
#2 - 2012-05-09 20:17:32 UTC
Makes sense to me....I agree
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#3 - 2012-05-09 20:18:56 UTC
So what are you proposing? They shoot NPC corp tornado alts on sight? That's how everyone rolls in highsec, right? NPC alts?

Hm, interesting ...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Andrey Wartooth
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2012-05-09 20:19:05 UTC
The empires leave criminal matters involving capsuleers to Concord.
Tillin Sylph
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-05-09 20:20:58 UTC
Ban Goons from hisec.

Please.
Hito-Shura
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-05-09 20:21:11 UTC
Khergits! X

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Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-05-09 20:21:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Elise DarkStar
Jita isn't the "capital" of the Caldari state. It is a system like any other, where capsuleers happen to conduct a lot of business according to the universal rules set out by the Caldari for capsuleers.

Those rules do not change when lots of capsuleers congregate in one system, nor do they change when other capsuleers shoot at said congregation.

Jita is player-built, so it can be similarly player-destroyed

To put it in simple terms: Jita is not Stormwind/Oggrimar.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#8 - 2012-05-09 20:21:56 UTC
Andrey Wartooth wrote:
The empires leave criminal matters involving capsuleers to Concord.

Oh dear, a game world/lore explanation.

Makes sense. I guess CONCORD doesn't get involved in their wars that we never see..

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Citizen Smif
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-05-09 20:26:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Citizen Smif
Elise DarkStar wrote:


To put it in simple terms: Jita is not Stormwind/Oggrimar.


This quote is a pretty good explanation.

As a general debate though, I do think that the direction of CCP marketing is moving away from the backstory to focus on the sandbox element of EVE Online.. This is just my opinion, but I suspect CCP will move even further away from the backstory to focus more on giving, I quote, "tools to the players that allow them to create their own stories." All marketing since then seems to be supporting this new direction, whereas before there were a lot more trailers about the storyline etc. In fact a while ago I'm sure I read in an interview that they were talking about wanting to eventually give players control over pretty much all services - I'm not sure how that fits in with the backstory of megacorporations.

I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing, and its great for gameplay, but the backstory of EVE is particularly good for an MMO so I hope they don't let it go too much. I'm still holding out for the herald of the "death of EVE", the Jovians ;)
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-05-09 20:30:30 UTC
There's no collateral damage from capsuleer wars, so I doubt the Caldari State cares that much about it. Plus, they're making a fortune off the transaction taxes in the 4-4 station.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#11 - 2012-05-09 20:31:54 UTC
Does it matter if Jita is the Caldari capital or not? Just saying, any self-respecting nation-state wouldn't let some private alliance have its way within their borders.

P.S. Nords! Come out of from behind those hiding places and do battle!Smile
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-05-09 20:33:57 UTC
Elise DarkStar wrote:

To put it in simple terms: Jita is not Stormwind/Oggrimar.


Also the Burn Jita was equivalent to sitting outside SW/Org and killing anyone loitering outside, not invading the city itself. In WoW, you can actually go in and (temporarily) kill the auctioneers. And the questgivers/mission agents. And the LP store vendor. Imagine how much grief THAT would cause.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#13 - 2012-05-09 20:34:41 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Does it matter if Jita is the Caldari capital or not? Just saying, any self-respecting nation-state wouldn't let some private alliance have its way within their borders.

P.S. Nords! Come out of from behind those hiding places and do battle!Smile

What if 500 NPC corp characters started shooting tornados at freighters? Would that be a more satisfying story?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-05-09 20:35:11 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Does it matter if Jita is the Caldari capital or not? Just saying, any self-respecting nation-state wouldn't let some private alliance have its way within their borders.


They don't. Concord blows them up when they break the rules set out for capsuleers.

This really isn't a tough concept.
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-05-09 20:35:35 UTC
Elise DarkStar wrote:
To put it in simple terms: Jita is not Stormwind/Oggrimar.


And yet Jita still exists. Eggers go about their daily business in Jita today as if nothing happened in weeks past. Kind of like Stormwind or Ogrimmar.
"If."
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-05-09 20:38:00 UTC
Burn Jita brought many spectators to the system. I'm sure the state made some money off the event through transaction taxes.

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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#17 - 2012-05-09 20:42:53 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Burn Jita brought many spectators to the system. I'm sure the state made some money off the event through transaction taxes.

Except there were fewer transactions during the burn jita thing, so the state lost money.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.

Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-05-09 20:46:01 UTC
Grey Azorria wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Burn Jita brought many spectators to the system. I'm sure the state made some money off the event through transaction taxes.

Except there were fewer transactions during the burn jita thing, so the state lost money.


Please disclose your access to the financial reports for the Caldari State so we can all make our own assessment of the impact of Burn Jita on the State's overall finances. Thanks.














P.S. Yer ******* dumb.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#19 - 2012-05-09 20:46:45 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Speaking in game world / back story terms:
You mean, the Caldari State would just sit back and let a null sec alliance invade and have its way? With the galaxy's biggest trade hub, in Caldari sovereign space? At some point, wouldn't the Caldari Navy have started podding gankers to put a stop to it? Or just shoot any Goon ship on sight, without waiting for it to aggress someone? Same for CONCORD.

Not bitter about Burn Jita, I wasn't there and it looked fun. But it just seems entirely unrealistic in game world / back story terms.

Got my flame resistant suit on, go ahead and get out your flamethrowers....



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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#20 - 2012-05-09 20:53:42 UTC
It was just like "Occupy Wall Street"...with guns.
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