EVE General Discussion

Wait....are people trying to argue that miners arn't carebears because they are actively engaged on PVP?

Exactly. At least someone gets it. And for the record and everyone else, i hate griefers. i honestly think high-sec should be high-sec and folks should be safe there. I just wrote this post 'cause i was sick of the goons and all their high-sec hulkageddon bullshit. I wanted to see how many of them would come out and support the nerf local idea. Looks like none of them. Hmmm. I wonder why that is... Oh, perhaps they need local for their afk mining and ratting in 0.0...?

Remove local und replace it with a list of players aktive in the system.

Or, remove local and give players the abilitiy to place anti-cloaking fields and sentry-guns.


Player need an intelligence tool to find out if they are in danger of getting killed or not. Direktional-scanner is far not enought. Most player want and need security in a game where you can loose something you have to "work" for to replace it. The theys before Concorde EVE only growed very slowly, but with concord the player-counts exploded [heard this form some older players].


Just think about, how much % of Eve will have more fun and how much % will have less fun if you remove local. If only 10% got more fun and 70% are really pissed of it indicates a bad decition.

Until CCP stops seeding the belts with asteroids the number is "very large" but effectively infinite because they WILL reseed every day.
When they stop doing that itd become perminantly finite


but sorta on topic, HAS anyone ever been banned for griefing in EVE?

I totally agree that when local is nerfed/delayed, there has to be an upgraded scanning system.

It should be an intelligent, user customizable tool, where i can define optical and/or acoustic alarms when certain players come within the scanable area.
The current D-scan is'nt science fiction, it's a joke...

As a pure mission runner and miner (when not wanting to pay a ton of attention to the game), I strongly support the nerfing of local. Makes the game more interesting and the whole idea of just knowing who's in the system based on who shows up on "chat" is a little.. well.. silly.

I don't see what the definition of MMO has to do with anything. Nor do I understand what "warfare oriented" means or what it has to do with the definition of PvP.

Exceedingly simply put type PVP into google. If you find it being used to advertise mining together or doing anything together that is not "warfare orientated" I would be surprised. You will find PVP used to explain/advertise/entice players into a MMOG for the purpose of player vs player warfare whether that will be in a tank, part of a larger battle or singly.

part A:Hit d-scan. a lot
part B:Equip combat probe launcher. and scan a l ot
Part C: aka slow down the pace of the game

freighter killing... how many ships do you have to spend to do that? you're just there to troll the ship most likely, thus who cares if you're trolled by having local/not making a profit(less douchy way of saying it is, it's a risk) if your concern is you can't make $ killing freighters, go do something else. whiny pirates are like college students saying they cant do what they want with their lives/carrer, even if it's a non-marketable skill like studying poetry for 4 years of your life lol

even so, you can just have a scout with your freighter- proceed to re-read at parts B&C at the top of this post.

Part D: fit your hulk with a proper shield tank with proper skills and use damage control II/shield extending rigs. have orca equip a large shield transporter and viola. + you can even overheat your tank if you catch it in time. solo gankers = less of a problem (need more destroyers at least)

really if you want to gank vs players, just make an alt. it starts with no negative security status so the people who check local a lot won't have you marked as a negative status player. (most of us slightly less autistic miners check local/mark -sec status with standings to keep track of easier) you even have two extra slots on your account. plus, did you know? you can delete them and make new ones! just gank until -5.0 and there you go! stick to 0.5 system security too, crappy concord response. if anything, local lets you know more easily when you show-info the miners and see "lol mining corp!" if Part D is in effect, doesn't really matter if the miner knows you're there or not. And seriously, most miners are too stupid to fit a DCII/shield rig/properly train shield skills.

i have no idea why null sec has local, but if you're so opposed to the idea of local, why not go to WH space. they usually fight back and are prepared though, probably something most people who like to gank aren't interested in. "fighting back" lol

p.s. bot = easily align -> part A -> hostile ship? "Warp drive activated" log out for a while/resume later/whatever. you're only wasting your time, not the bots. it probably has a "log out for x amount of time, resume at another bookmark/system"

Can we please stop trying to fool ourselves the original poster and cronies wants this in order to "combat " bots? Please? They just want people to have even less of a chance to defend themselves.

People, not bots.

Hey Numbskull. What makes you think I was referring to you? If you were talking about low-sec then I obviously did not intend to include you.